Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/09/Category:Euromasochism
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this is a neologism, based on the one file in this category, which is an ironic/snarky shirt slogan (apparently a small shop doing it). There doesnt seem to be any serious political intent behind this slogan. external link: [1] Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
- No, it's in use in serious literature. Reinhard von Neck, for instance, uses it in the title of his book.[2] It has also been used in the European parliament.[3] The debate following Volker Zotz's Geschichte der buddhistischen Philosophie is known as the euromasochism-debate.[4]. Besides, neologisms are sometimes useful for naming categories. --Jonund (talk) 10:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- well, yes, its in the book title, which translates as "From Austrokeynesianismus to "Euromasochismus"? : The economic model of Austria in the EU", so its in quotes. the other website mentions it briefly, "I would say that we must avoid the overdose of Euro Masochism as we often hear when we talk about these issues", and is not a notable site. Volker Zotz appears to be using the phrase in relation to a discussion of buddhism and europe, and no one else seems to use the phrase in that context. and all of these are very high level abstract usages, and trivial mentions, not at all related to the t shirt. I dont think we need a category like this if we only have one somewhat tangential image for it. overall, we have may be no more than 60 ghits for this term,, as either one word or two. however, i have now said my piece, and dont really need to say more. if others feel its worth keeping, thats fine with me.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- Other titles use it without quotation marks.[5] In my opinion, the website of the European Parliament is notable. Zotz didn't use the term himself, it was used by Süddeutsche Zeitung to describe his attitude toward the European tradition, and later the debate became known under that term. I don't agree that the term has a very high level of abstraction compared to other uses of masochism, and least of all are the references trivial. Here are a few examples.[6][7][8][9] A google-search for Euromasochismus returns 1400 results. --Jonund (talk) 16:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- You've presented good arguments, and as i still have a little more experience with categories on Wikipedia than here, i am not adamant about this going. at the English WP, categories with one article are frowned on, but thats not always the case here. hopefully someone else can join in and add to the discussion.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Mercurywoodrose: Actually, categories on Commons are used to illustrate concepts, and are closer in design to English Wikipedia articles than comparable English Wikipedia categories. (Although we actually roll both systems into one — Commons:Categories policies can explain more, and explains the five main category types for content on Commons.) Basically speaking, since Commons is made almost entirely of media files, we must use them to illustrate concepts, and utilize MediaWiki's category system for doing so. Think of each file as a "sentence" in an article on English Wikipedia; an article might be a stub, or a category might have only one file, but if it's a notable enough topic we can even have one-file categories on Commons. I haven't checked to see whether this particular neologism is notable enough to have its own category, however, so I have not decided yet. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 09:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- You've presented good arguments, and as i still have a little more experience with categories on Wikipedia than here, i am not adamant about this going. at the English WP, categories with one article are frowned on, but thats not always the case here. hopefully someone else can join in and add to the discussion.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Other titles use it without quotation marks.[5] In my opinion, the website of the European Parliament is notable. Zotz didn't use the term himself, it was used by Süddeutsche Zeitung to describe his attitude toward the European tradition, and later the debate became known under that term. I don't agree that the term has a very high level of abstraction compared to other uses of masochism, and least of all are the references trivial. Here are a few examples.[6][7][8][9] A google-search for Euromasochismus returns 1400 results. --Jonund (talk) 16:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
- This neologism is not properly constructed term. "Masochism" is term from sexology, not at all related to the t-shirt. Terms for "hate" are with ending "-phobia" (e.g. "homophobia"). IMO better is "oikophobia" (Scruton's usage). Best regards. Belfer00 (talk) 17:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- In my opinion, both terms are good. Terms can be used figuratively, like homophobia, where no phobia is involved, only a disliking of the subject. --Jonund (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
- Can we just move this to Category:Anti-nationalism, a common term, which serves to contain the one file perfectly well? - Themightyquill (talk) 09:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'm ok with that. --Jonund (talk) 17:54, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Anti-nationalism. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)