Category talk:Women of ancient Greece
The category description makes clear the distinction between Category:Women of ancient Greece (specific people) and Category:Ancient Greek women (unknown/anonymous women) but I wonder if it could be made clearer in the category titles, to help people find the right place for images. Any ideas? Themightyquill (talk) 10:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Very simple. "Women of ancient Greece" are all the women they are famous in the Greek history and litterature; and then other anonymous women whose name, however, is known by inscriptions (most part funerary inscriptions). All other anonymous women that we know only in art, by vase paintings or marble reliefs, are "Ancient Greek women". --DenghiùComm (talk) 06:47, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, as I stated, the distinction is made quite clear in the category description, but the category titles don't make it immediately clear. I was hoping we might find better wording. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- What about Category:Women in ancient Greece or Category:Women of ancient Greece for anonymous women and subcategory Category:Women of ancient Greece by name for specific women? - Themightyquill (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't understand why you do these difficulties. If one does not understand the difference, just open one of the two categories and it is explained. And it also finds a reference to the other category. What do we still want to discuss about? If these names are such a big problem, then change the name of the category Category:Ancient Greek women to Category:Ancient Greek anonymous women or Category:Ancient Greek unknown women. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 07:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Systems of categorization are meant to use consistent naming to help people find what they want. Making a thousand unnecessray variations with explanatory notes is not helpful. We have Category:Women by country and Category:Women by name, so Category:Women of ancient Greece by name is consistent. We don't have Category:Anonymous women or Category:Unknown women so your suggestions are inconsistent. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Commons is a project that is organized in a certain way, and seeks to have a logical and coherent structure. But he will never be perfect. There are exceptions. Here we have an example. In the mess of files of ancient Greek art we are full of representations of unknown or anonymous women. I did a great job distinguishing the files in the two categories that I found. What is your proposal? To put everything back together known and unknown women? You can do it, you are an admin. But is this useful? --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- No, my proposal is to put all the anonymous content in either Category:Women in ancient Greece or Category:Women of ancient Greece, and put the non-anonymous content in a sub-category, Category:Women of ancient Greece by name. Commons is fullof images of unknown or anonymous women (from all over the world), but none of them are in categories named "anonymous women". There's no need for an exception here. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- "Women IN ancient Greece" is not useful, because the ancient Greece area arrived until South Italy (Magna Graecia), Turkey (Asia Minor), etc. --DenghiùComm (talk) 10:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- No, my proposal is to put all the anonymous content in either Category:Women in ancient Greece or Category:Women of ancient Greece, and put the non-anonymous content in a sub-category, Category:Women of ancient Greece by name. Commons is fullof images of unknown or anonymous women (from all over the world), but none of them are in categories named "anonymous women". There's no need for an exception here. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Commons is a project that is organized in a certain way, and seeks to have a logical and coherent structure. But he will never be perfect. There are exceptions. Here we have an example. In the mess of files of ancient Greek art we are full of representations of unknown or anonymous women. I did a great job distinguishing the files in the two categories that I found. What is your proposal? To put everything back together known and unknown women? You can do it, you are an admin. But is this useful? --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Then Category:Women of ancient Greece is okay for anonymous women? - Themightyquill (talk) 13:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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Agree with your proposal that Women by name became subcat of Women of ancient Greece. --DenghiùComm (talk) 08:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Currently the category tree here is a bit of a mess. Category:Women of ancient Greece is for specific women with known identities, and Category:Ancient Greek women is for anonymous/non-specific women, which is fine, but then Category:Famous women in ancient Greek pottery is a subcat of both category trees. I suspect this is because, though the category descriptions make the distinction clear, the category names do not. So I Agree with Themightyquill's proposal to have Category:Women of ancient Greece with Category:Women of ancient Greece by name as a subcat, which looks to me to be a clear improvement. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Redirected Category:Ancient Greek women to Category:Women of ancient Greece. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)