Category talk:Pashupatinath
Is there any real difference between Category:Pashupatinath and Category:Pashupatinath temple? Isn't Pashupatinath a temple complex? Put another way: what images will be in a category that aern't relevant to the other also? Stegop (talk) 00:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment According to Pashupatinath, the word may refer to Shree Pashupatinath (the Hindu God), Pashupatinath Temple (in Kathmandu, the holiest place in Nepal and the temple of the most revered God of Nepal), or Pashupatinath temple, Mandsaur (a temple in India) Perhaps looking at what's in each category is helpful. Looking at Category:Pashupatinath, there are images that aren't clearly, or primarily, the temple, examples:
- File:Jay boom boom.jpg
- File:Door way to heaven - Flickr - askmeaks.jpg (According to the upload this is from Pune, India.)
- File:Tibet & Nepal (5162497709).jpg
- File:Tibet & Nepal (5162496079).jpg
- File:Tibet & Nepal (5162502867).jpg
- File:Tibet & Nepal (5163109366).jpg
- File:Tibet & Nepal (5162500701).jpg
- File:Shivaling - Flickr - askmeaks.jpg (which is also in Category:Mukhalinga that includes an image from Pashupatinath Temple, Mandsaur, a temple in India.
I think more thought should be put into what goes in which specific categories. My view is that the categories should be cleaner and more specific as to content so the viewer has some guidance, such as putting the temple's ghats into a subcategory. I don't think large, indiscriminate categories are helpful. Is the proposal to put all these into one category? i.e. merge Category:Pashupatinath and its subcategories (Category:Cremations in Pashupatinath, Category:Sadhus in Pashupatinath,etc.) with Category:Pashupatinath temple? Or visa versa? Or some third category? Parabolooidal (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- So the wiser to do is transform Category:Pashupatinath and Category:Pashupatinath temple in a disambiguation, not keeping 2 o 3 categories with images from the same things. --Stegop (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think a disambiguation is the way to go, personally. My way would be to clean the categories so that what is in each one really belongs. It's informative to see the way other countries handle categorization. India has many small and specific categories e.g. for topics like temples, so that everything in a category belongs there. And there are many cross-categories. Look at Category:Cave temples in India for example. Or Category:Temples in India. Or Category:Temple tanks in Karnataka, etc. There aren't huge vague categories with hundreds of questionable images. It's all very carefully categorized and many ways to access a particular interest, like "temple tanks" in wherever. Or look at Category:Badami Cave Temples. See how finely categorized everything is? Or another cross-category like Category:Temple tanks in India. There, the viewer can see that there is an attempt to correctly categorize the images to overcome having huge, vague categories. Or another huge example Category:Death Valley National Park. There the viewer can be sure that the categories that exist are accurate. Parabolooidal (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you suggest to do. The fact is that now we have photos in Category:Pashupatinath that could well be in Category:Pashupatinath temple and the former is categorized as a place in Kathmandu, so it doesn't make sense having them separated, at least with those ambiguous names. --Stegop (talk) 00:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think a disambiguation is the way to go, personally. My way would be to clean the categories so that what is in each one really belongs. It's informative to see the way other countries handle categorization. India has many small and specific categories e.g. for topics like temples, so that everything in a category belongs there. And there are many cross-categories. Look at Category:Cave temples in India for example. Or Category:Temples in India. Or Category:Temple tanks in Karnataka, etc. There aren't huge vague categories with hundreds of questionable images. It's all very carefully categorized and many ways to access a particular interest, like "temple tanks" in wherever. Or look at Category:Badami Cave Temples. See how finely categorized everything is? Or another cross-category like Category:Temple tanks in India. There, the viewer can see that there is an attempt to correctly categorize the images to overcome having huge, vague categories. Or another huge example Category:Death Valley National Park. There the viewer can be sure that the categories that exist are accurate. Parabolooidal (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- My suggestion: Category:Pashupatinath temple might contain pictures of the main Shiva temple in Pashupatinath area for which the category Category:Pashupatinath could be used. A lot of pictures in both categories are misplaced. I'm ready to purge these categories when I am back from my next stay in Nepal. --Gerd Eichmann (talk) 18:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Bon voyage! gruß, fcm. --Frank C. Müller (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- To avoid confusion it might be useful to rename Category:Pashupatinath to something like Category:Pashupatinath (area) which could be placed under Category :Neighbourhoods in Kathmandu Christopher Fynn (talk)) 08:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Bon voyage! gruß, fcm. --Frank C. Müller (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Given that Pashupatinath refers to both a god, a temple, and a temple complex, I think Category:Pashupatinath should be disambiguated. Given that we have Category:Pashupatinath temple (Kathmandu), Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Mandsaur, and Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Bhaktapur, I think Category:Pashupatinath temple should also be disambiguated. I therefore suggest:
Pashupatinath may refer to
- an incarnation of Category:Shiva
- the Category:Pashupatinath temple complex, Kathmandu (containing numerous temples)
- the Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Bhaktapur, a recreation of the temple in Kathmandu
- the Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Mandsaur
Pashupatinath temple may refer to
- the Category:Pashupatinath temple complex, Kathmandu (containing numerous temples)
- the Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Bhaktapur, a recreation of the temple in Kathmandu
- the Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Mandsaur
- Thoughts? - Themightyquill (talk) 08:15, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Wandering into this area without specific knowledge, I agree some kind of disambiguation is called for; the current situation is confusing and inconsistent. The above seems sensible to me although ISTM the Kathmandu temple category (but not that for the complex) should be capitalized to Pashupatinath Temple, Kathmandu (assuming that’s its proper name).
- That said, I’m not sure Pashupatinath itself needs disambiguation; although we don’t seem to have any category for this god-form or avatar (at least not under Shiva) it appears to be a grammatical form of the usual name Pashupati. So my support for the first disambiguation page is weaker than for the second: I’d rather create Pashupati (of whom we likely have a number of images already) including a see-also link to the temple disambiguation page, to which Pashupatinath would also redirect. (See-alsos among the three temple cats could also be useful.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 18:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- The temple complex should be named Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Kathmandu. The name "Pahupatinath Temple" applies to the entire complex, which is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. While one might normally expect a 'temple' to be a singular structure, in this case it really is the entire complex. There are other temples that reside within it, but "Pashupatinath Temple" is the correct proper noun for the complex. Josh (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: Any thoughts on comments above by Odysseus1479 and myself? It sounds like with minor tweaking, we can adopt your proposal if you don't object. Josh (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- The temple complex should be named Category:Pashupatinath Temple, Kathmandu. The name "Pahupatinath Temple" applies to the entire complex, which is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. While one might normally expect a 'temple' to be a singular structure, in this case it really is the entire complex. There are other temples that reside within it, but "Pashupatinath Temple" is the correct proper noun for the complex. Josh (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner: I'll happily defer to those with more knowledge on this one. - Themightyquill (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
@Themightyquill, Odysseus1479, Gerd Eichmann, Cfynn, and Frank C. Müller: Closed Josh (talk) 07:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)