Category talk:Ornamental tittles

Undoing this mess

Verdy p doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the fact that a tittle is not a diacritic, rather it’s an integral part of lower case "i" and "j" which is usually replaced by a diacritic when present. The move from "Category:Ornamental tittles" to "Category:Ornamental diacritics" is confusing also because the latter becomes a sort-of synonym of "Category:Unorthographic use of diacritics", which is an established category, maturely populated and dissminated. I’m going to undo this mess now, but care should be taken to avoid its repeating in the future. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

129 affected files! Guy, you really need to think before doing stuff like this. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

It’s even worse: You actually mixed up "tittle" with "title" and you dared to “correct” what you thought was an error because as usual you always pesume you’re right and everybody else is wrong — I met you on line in the 1990s, Philippe, and you haven’t learned yet how to work with other people. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

You have not contacted me once before accusing me of a "behavior" problem to admins. Nothing done that could be explained because there were already confusions and miscategorisatrion there !! verdy_p (talk) 15:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Will you stop making impacting changes and discuss the matter in each cat page? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 15:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

You never do that yourself in your own recategorizations. At least not until someone disagrees. I've not made any "impactingh" changes", and made all things consistantly, even if you have another opinion. There was already a mess in categories that you reverted (and other users were already confused). I made things so that all "decorated" letters would go to the same parent category. You chose to keep the term "tittle" which confused others (and that is not used in Unicode, which calls it "soft dots" (not distinguishing what you call "tittle(s)", with an incorrect assumption that they are distinct, when in really this is false for the Turkic alphabets; Unicode describes precisely the issue, and notably about the change of capitalisation), and other places call it "tittlo(s)" (and some existing categories name it "titlo(s)"). You chose to ignore that in your reverts.

I made a selective click on logos/brands/words that were not isolated graphemes or letters, and did not select everything. I did not mix everything and really unmixed the confused topics. Now chances are back that new confusions will happen again.

If you think I made an error, it's possible (everynody can dothat on good faith or by not seeing someting, you also make frequent errors), But if there's one I can correct them. But don't accuse every users doing errors on good faiths of any "bad behavior". And I don't react like you did by immediately complaining to administrators as the only way to solve your problem or disagreement. You did not discuss at all! So I let yuo find a solution there. I note that several of my edits there were restored (including by you, because you reverted blindly too many things like a bot without looking seriuously, now I see that you check things manually, exactly like the purely manual inspection I made to selvet precise files). Nothing was "impacting", I did not break any existing navifation links, everything was kept organized even if you have another opinion. Yes in the first step I changed "tittle" into "title", because this xas how the category looked at first. I have also distinguished I and J letters (but now you are merging them again, along with other non-Latin letters, notably in Cyrillic and Turkic Latin, where tittlos are really diacritics, not part of the base letter, completely not what you pretend above!). verdy_p (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Philippe, I just saw this comment. (I see you haven’t changed a bit in 20 years. Oh well. But let’s try to make this work, alright?) I need to get some sleep but will be back tomorrow. We can discuss choices of terminology in cat names and cat tree structure, and then we can go around cleaning up stuff. Yesterday, as I was rolling back your edits (almost 100) I did notice quite a few I’m absolutely sure you yourself will/would agree that they are just mistakes. As for the rest, we’ll see. For now, I can say I even agree with some of your points above, fancy that! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 03:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)