Category talk:Hispano-Suiza HS 26 Junior
Official name of the car
[edit]See Category talk:Hispano-Suiza HS 26. Buch-t (talk) 08:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Official name of the car
[edit]I have studied the books written by Emilio Polo about Hispano-Suiza: 1899-1915, 1916-1931, 1931-1946. This are reference books, each with more than 500 pages. The official name of the car is "HS 26", sometimes written "HS-26", "HS26" or "H.S. 26".
"Hispano-Suiza Junior" is only a nickname. I cannot find the combination with HS 26 and nickname like "Hispano-Suiza HS 26 Junior" in the books.
Category:Hispano-Suiza HS 26 Junior was created by User:Finoskov. He added no sources for this name. I cannot believe that he can deliver better sources than the books I mentioned above.
Because he had reverted me I must start a discussion. For information: User:Túrelio, User:Yann. --Buch-t (talk) 08:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bonjour. Maintenant que j'ai un peu de temps je soumets à votre sagacité quelques extraits du chapitre 16 intitulé : Les "chemises humides" - La Junior - Les derniers modèles barcelonais - Évolution finale de la H6, du livre Les automobiles Hispano-Suiza, des origines à 1949 par Paul Badré paru en 1990 aux éditions Edijac. A la page 299 il écrit : "En 1929 la 20 CV barcelonaise devient une 26 CV. Elle reste fidèle au bloc(-cylindres) en fonte. Mais en 1930 on retrouve son moteur sur un nouveau modèle français avec cette fois un bloc en alliage léger et les fameux cylindres (à chemises) "humides" : la Ballot HS 26 présentée au salon de Paris de 1930... au stand Ballot, à côté de la dernière création de la marque : la Ballot RH 8 cylindres arrivée en 1927."
- Un peu plus loin : "La (Ballot) HS 26 sera rebaptisée bientôt Hispano-Suiza Junior."
- Encore un peu plus loin, à la page 303 : "Dans sa version originale présentée en 1930 la "Ballot HS 26" avait encore un pont arrière style 32 CV et un double collecteur d'échappement. Le radiateur portait l'écusson Ballot. L'année suivante, le modèle rebaptisé Hispano-Suiza Junior arborait l'emblème Hispano avec un pont arrière type "banjo" et un simple collecteur."
- Voilà qui, pour moi, clôt le débat.
- C'est pour que tout un chacun s'y retrouve que j'ai associé dans le nom de la catégorie HS 26 et Junior (comme d'ailleurs le font tous les sites Web sérieux , de ventes aux enchères notamment) alors qu'on devrait plutôt écrire seulement Hispano-Suiza Junior.
- Pour dire plus simplement HS 26 est le nom du modèle Ballot.
- Cordialement.
- Finoskov (talk) 08:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Traduction Google (presumably approximate regarding technical terms: chemises humides et pont in particular)
- Good morning. Now that I have a little time I submit for your sagacity some extracts from chapter 16 entitled: The "wet shirts" - The Junior - The latest Barcelona models - Final evolution of the H6, from the French book Hispano-Suiza automobiles , from the origins to 1949 by Paul Badré published in 1990 by Edijac. On page 299 he writes: "In 1929 the Barcelona 20 CV became a 26 CV. It remained faithful to the cast iron cylinder block. But in 1930 we found its engine on a new French model, this time with an light-alloy block and the famous "wet" (shirts) cylinders : the Ballot HS 26 presented at the 1930 Paris Motor Show... at the Ballot stand, next to the brand's latest creation: the 8-cylinder Ballot RH which arrived in 1927. " A little further: “The (Ballot) HS 26 will soon be renamed Hispano-Suiza Junior.” A little further, on page 303: "In its original version presented in 1930 the "Ballot HS 26" still had a 32 CV style rear axle and a double exhaust manifold. The radiator bore the Ballot badge. The following year, the model was renamed Hispano-Suiza Junior and featured the Hispano emblem with a "banjo" type rear axle and a simple collector."
- This, for me, concludes the debate. It is so that everyone can understand that I have associated HS 26 and Junior in the name of the category (as do all serious websites, auctions in particular) while we should instead write only Hispano-Suiza Junior.
- To put it more simply, HS 26 is the name of the Ballot model.
- Sincerely.
- Finoskov (talk) 08:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting new details. I will check it again. Maybe we will leave it as it is now. --Buch-t (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)