File talk:Sclavi Tiganesti.jpg
is it real or a forgery ?
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Weiß jemand woher dieses Bild stammt? Ich bin gerade am grübeln ob es echt sein kann. Zum ersten, wurden 1852 in ro im allgemeinen noch kyrillische Buchstaben benutzt und nicht lateinische, vor allem in Bucharest in Transilvanien würde ich es noch verstehen. Zweitens wundert es mich das "Sclavi" und nicht "Robi" benutzt wird,ich dachte dass die Roma-Sklaven als "Robi" bezeichnet wurden. Drittens im rumänischen Artikel zur rumänischen Sprache, steht zur einführung des lateinischen Alphabets, dass zunächst das Ţ kein diakrytisches Zeichen hatte, sondern ti immer als Ţ ausgesprochen wurde, das widerspricht ebenfalls der echtheit des Plakates. Waren nur ein paar überlegungen, würde mich interessieren ob sich jemand da besser auskennt und weiß ob diese Formen auch schon 1852 benutzt wurden.
- I don't speak much German, so I'll answer in English:
- Ț has been introduced in 1825 by Petru Maior. Before the standardization, there were several versions of the alphabet, the one used in this poster is certainly not the one which became an official standard (for instance, as far as I know, j has never been part of the official alphabet for the semivowel /j/)
- the Latin alphabet has been used by the French-schooled elite in Wallachia before the switch to this alphabet, despite the fact that the official alphabet was Cyrillic. For instance, even the seal of the government during the 1848 revolution used Latin alphabet
- About robi/sclavi: sclavi has been borrowed together with a number of other Latinate words by the elite in order to replace Slavic words such as "rob". For instance, even the 1848 song Deşteaptă-te,_române! (now the National Anthem of Romania) uses the word "sclavi" instead of "robi" in its lyrics. Bogdan Giuşcă (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- this is a probable forgery :
- https://confluente.org/marian_nutu_carpaci_1517903515.html
- https://rom4india.wordpress.com/category/ian-hancoks-forged-poster/
- https://rom4india.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/a_forged_poster_about_the_sale_of_gypsy.pdf demonstrates the linguistic and typographic errors that prove the forgery...
- the original image comes from https://archive.org/details/colocci-gli-zingari/page/88/mode/2up (signed by artist "Valerio 1889" in the top-left corner)
- this is a probable forgery :
- the remaining questions are : who forged it ? when (post-1889) ? for what purpose ?
- --Hsarrazin (talk) 13:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- I would also say that is forgery, because the Romanian Slave Liberation Certificate from 1848 is still in Full Cyrillic Alfavit/ Script
- and it also talks about "Rob" not "sclavi"
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bilet_de_dezrobire_1848.jpg Clip44 (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
