File talk:Schepen, waaronder de HMS Edgar, op zee, RP-F-F04935 (cropped).jpg

Unidentified ship

Hi Carl, Here is a picture of HMS Edgar in 1860, in the Firth of Forth, with an unidentified ship, on the right hand side of the photo. (HMS Royal Albert (ship, 1854), and HMS Trafalgar (1841) were in the vicinity at the time).

The dates are wrong for HMS Warrior (1860), even though she looks similar from a distance. Any thoughts? Broichmore (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

If it's too early for the Warrior, it would have to be one of the wooden screw frigates or sloops. The makeup of the Channel fleet in the Firth of Forth is listed here, if you scroll down to the June 1860 entries. With a quick search I cannot figure which one it is, as need to find more pictures of those particular ships I think. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The squadron are 14 in number - namely, the Royal Albert, 121 guns, the flagship of Sir C.H. Fremantle, K.C.B.; the Donegal, 101; the Conqueror, 101; the Edgar, 91; the Aboukir, 90; the Algiers, 91; the Trafalgar, 90; the Mars, 80; the Centurion, 80; the Mersey, 40; the Diadem, 32; the Ariadne, 26; the Greyhound, 17; and the Flying Fish, 6. In St. Margaret's Hope there has also been for some time stationed the Edinburgh, 60 guns, as a training-ship. Broichmore (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Of those, the Royal Albert was a three-decker, the Donegal, Conqueror, Edgar, Aboukir, Algiers, Trafalgar, Mars, and Centurion were all two-deckers, which eliminate those. The Flying Fish is probably too small. That would leave the Mersey, Diadem, Ariadne, and Greyhound to see if we can match pictures. I haven't found much of the Greyhound, but this image of the half block model, seems to show about the same number of gunports between the first two masts as the photos. The Mersey[1], Diadem[2] and Ariadne[3] seemed to have more, being bigger ships. And on two of those, the gunports were on a lower deck, not near the top of the hull. I'd have to guess the Greyhound, but hard to be sure without any other images of the ship that I can find. Carl Lindberg (talk) 07:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I'v'e drawn a blank myself on the Greyhound-class sloops, Greyhound and Mutine (1859), yet, it does look very like her antecedent the Cruizer-class sloop. Broichmore (talk) 09:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Given that we have the list of ships, and the gunports seem to match the positions on that half block model, and it seems to roughly match the similarly-sized Cruizer class (though the Greyhound was supposed to be longer), I'm pretty comfortable with that identification. Carl Lindberg (talk) 14:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if you can see it outside the US, but there is a drawing of the ship at the time of its launching (so no masts or rigging) in this book, which is a photo of the drawing on a box from a "Pembrokeshire County Museum", which supposedly contains the mallet and chisel used during the launch ceremony on 15 June 1859. Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I can see the citation, despite it saying No eBook available, there is a kindle edition. Broichmore (talk) 14:54, 3 October 2023 (UTC)