File talk:Linguistic Map Turkey Dutch.jpg

 

  Please check File talk:Ethnic Groups Turkey123.png.--Gomada (talk) 10:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Please feel free to edit this map or give some instructions on where to improve it. I created this map based on the German version I found on Wikimedia, and added some other ethnic groups based on information I found on the English, German and Dutch Wikipedia's. I knew I was bound to make some mistakes, but I placed the educational value of including Zaza's, Chepni and Romeyka/Pontic Greeks higher. I realy wanted to include an ethnic map on the Dutch Wikipedia page on Turkey, but the origional German one (wich is used on the German and English pages) was even more faulty for not including these groups, so I decided to look for some data on Wikipedia to ammend it. Please feel free to do the same.NeoRetro (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I would like to edit. But sorry, i dont have much time nowadays. i will try to find sources and help. First of all, There is not a governmental research for ethnic groups of Turkey. Its still a problem in Turkey. If you want a create a map for current situation of ethnic groups, there should be Pomaks of Balikesir and Bursa. We cant say something correct 100% but information about Circassians is not bad. We shouldnt forget Tatars of Eskişehir, Konya, Ankara. You can check this website. Its claimed that, population of Bosniaks in Turkey is around 2 million. There are large communities of them in Adapazarı, İzmir, Manisa. There is information about them in a nationalistic turkish newspaper. Georgians are not only in Artvin. There are also in Ordu and Samsun. There is a large population of Albanians in Turkey. They are mostly in Istanbul, Edirne, Tekirdağ, Bursa, Adapazarı, İzmir, Yozgat, Samsun, Adana, Amasya. Check this please and (a little information in turkish). Im not sure about population of arabs in Adana. About Kurds of Turkey, We should just accept Kurds or We should seperate as Kurmanj and Zaza Kurds. Tunceli doesnt only formed of Zaza Kurds. Kurmanj and Zaza Kurds should be together and a green point for Turkmens. Population of Istanbul is nearly 13-15 millions. There is not a clear source but, Kurdish population of Istanbul is around 3-4 millions. Therefore, it will be unfair to not show that on the map. There is large population of Kurmanj Kurds in Adana and Mersin. Zaza and Kurmanj people in Kocaeli. Btw, We shouldnt forget Kurds of İzmir, Manisa, Balıkesir, Bursa, Denizli, Muğla, Aydın, Ankara, Ardahan. There is a mistake about Kurds of Kars. Most population of Digor is Kurmanj Kurds. Im not sure about population of Turkmens in Turkey. But they have villages in Adıyaman, Van. There is a small population of Azeris and Kyrgyz in Van city, too.--Gomada (talk) 10:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I think these maps are better than other maps (for example File:Турски Кюрдистан.png :))). Anyway I also hope sources would be shown. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 00:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

This map is not related to File:Турски Кюрдистан.png. Because, This map shows ethnic groups of Turkey and File:Турски Кюрдистан.png shows border of Turkish Kurdistan.--Gomada (talk) 10:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

What ? Takabeg (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I used some data supplied by Gomeda like this map on wikipedia, and I found some websites with detailed information like muturzikin.com and Harvard MESH flicker page. I didn't copy these maps, I combined the information from them to ammend the past version. Hope you like it. Maybe I made some grave mistakes and you could point them out? Thanks! NeoRetro (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Sources like muturzikin.com are not reliable. I nominated this map for deletion. Cavann (talk) 17:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Why exactly is that? Is it because it's not scientific or because it states on the site that no 'reproductions' can be made? Because that's not what I did. Anyway, the only thing I got from muturzikin was the location of the "Cepni" group. I can easily remove it if that's what you want. The other sources are as reliable as they could probably get.NeoRetro (talk) 19:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

MESH :: Middle East Strategy at Harvard does not seem officially affiliated with Harvard. It could be anyone. You have not referenced one reliable source. Cavann (talk) 21:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I also nominated this map [1] for deletion as it lacks sources too. Cavann (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

LOL, is Wikipedia unreliable? Are you trying to say I can't make a map based on information I found on Wikipedia? And btw this is what it says on that flickr page:

Duh! If it does not have a source either, of course it is not reliable. Cavann (talk) 18:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Well there are no 'sourced' maps on this subject as far as I could find. I mean, I've searched all over. And It's not against the rules of Wikipedia to base a map on information from Wikipedia. If you have information that this map has some errors, you should share it with us instead of trying to find a reason to destroy this map.NeoRetro (talk) 07:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about. Read Wikipedia:Verifiability and What counts as a reliable source. You cannot just make up maps according to your imagination or use stupid .com sources.

And I told you. Use MESH map if you find author or study information and maybe this map [2]. Beyond these I'm not seeing anything that is potentially reliably sourced. 21:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't care what you 'told me', you are not my boss and I don't like it when people shove things under my nose. Do you want to have a serious conversation, or are you here merely to destroy this map? NeoRetro (talk) 06:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

" Middle East Strategy at Harvard (MESH) is a project of the National Security Studies Program, Weatherhead Center for International Affairs, at Harvard University. Read about MESH here. This online atlas is a supplement to an educational website. It is in the initial stages of construction. If you are the copyright holder of a map displayed here, and prefer that this site display a scaled-down or thumbnail version of your map and a link back to the original on your own website, just send your instructions to the contact email. (Here is an example.) Middle East Strategy at Harvard National Security Studies Program Weatherhead Center for International Affairs 1737 Cambridge Street Cambridge, MA 02138" NeoRetro (talk) 06:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. The map still doesn't have a source (author or study). And your map is widely divergent from MESH map.Cavann (talk) 18:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry I can't answer your questions within a day, mate... I'm writing my bachelors thesis right now (deadline is tomorrow). But I think the sources are pretty clear. Indeed the map diverges alot from the MESH map because that one sucked balls. I used it, but not alot. Most of the information is straight from Wikipedia like is stated above.NeoRetro (talk) 07:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Wrong map

This map has got a lot of wrong things. Specially Turkish-Yoruk seperation is not true. Balıkesir-Manisa-Kutahya-Aydın-Bursa-Bilecik-Kastamonu-Afyon etc. has got Yoruk population. Turkish and Yoruk seperation is not true and Turkish-Yoruk-Turkmen are same thing. And In Canakkale and Balıkesir dont live Greek. It is not true. They went to Greece hundred years ago. You cant show a Greek man there. There is no knowledge about Tatar Turkics live in Balikesir, Eskisehir etc. in map...--88.224.13.3 17:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Unless you give me some sources, I won't be able to accuratly edit this map. I'm currently not at home, so I promise to look into your comments in a few weeks when I have acess to my pc. In the mean time, I would greatly appreciate it if you could find me some sources for the Yoruk and Tatar populations you mention and the population exchange from Balikeshir province (which according to me didn't happen 100 years ago but possibly after the Istanbul Riots from 1955. Thanks in advance. NeoRetro (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

NeoRetro, please show us your sources for this map! The map can not be nominated for deletion, so it is more correct if you provide us with the sources, which claims "X is prevailing ethnic group anywhere". The sources in the summary are only Wikipedia maps showing areas of various ethnic groups, where they are minority or majority. Please, state what changes are you planning to make?--Nonemansland (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Translation

This map is fairly-accurate actually, but you should blank out Istanbul cause there are lots of people from different background though. And of course English traslation would be great. Elmasmelih (talk) 18:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)