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Chile

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I'd like to requst somebody please update the map with the Chilean position as reported on the Wikipedia article. Thanks, Marmaduque 21:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Armenia

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Decision might not be formalised on paper but judging from this statement it's pretty obvious what will it say

Foreign Minister of Armenia Vartan Oskanian, stated that Armenia has no intention to recognize independence of Kosovo and that "Granting independence to Kosovo, the international community violated the legal norms but forgot Karabakh".

It's not neutral position, regardless of mythomania here where some are trying to repeat that Armenia is neutral so many times that other would start to believe it. --Avala 14:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iceland

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Iceland has just announced its intention to recognize Kosovo. [1] --20:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

information

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This map relies on sources that are found in English wikipedia article. All edits are well referenced in English Wikipedia and as such cannot be POV. The reality can be disliked by some so we have users who remove countries that have or have not recognized Kosovo because of their personal opinion of what this country should do or not do. That is indeed POV I am fighting against here.

So when Chile publishes statement saying

  • Chile calls on the parties concerned to achieve, by peaceful means, through dialogue and adherence to international law, a solution that respects the principles and purposes of the United Nations Charter.[2]

It can only fit into one group

  • States which have expressed disagreement with unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations.

And there is no POV or NPOV here. It is almost an automatic process with such clear statements as this one which completely corresponds to one of the groups. There is nothing ambiguous about this. --Avala 18:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV corrections needed

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Contrary to some, diplomatic langauge is often deliberately ambiguous. Chile, calling on parties to carry on a peacable dialog within the norms of UN charter, is not necessarily to be construed as denial of recognition and insistence on carrying out more of the previously failed negotiations within old frameworks. UN Charter includes the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which gives peoples the right to self-determination, which is also the VIII clause of hte Helsinki Final Act from 1975, whose III clause about inviolable borders is often quoted, yet conflicts with the VIII clause.

All this simply means, Chile said in its press release: keep talking and don't resort to violence, and this advice presumably extends to today's governments and populations, as well as politicians and other individuals. Chile could have indicated an intention to not recognize or to recognize independent Kosovo, but chose not to do so at this time. This is indicative of a neutral position and should be faithfully portrayed so on the map: Chile should be colored khaki.

There eare other skewed presentations on this map in need of correction:

  • Cuba, marked red. Should be reverted to gray, as a country with no official position on record. The evidence supporting "red" is an unofficial rant by Fidel Castro quoted in a newspaper, not any press release or other official utterance of the Cuban government.
  • New Zealand, marked in orange. Should be marked khaki, as neutral, since per prime minister Helen Clark, New Zealand will never recognize or not recognize a unilateral declaration of independence explicitly.
  • Macedonia has been marked in khaki today as neutral. It should have remained light blue, as Macedonia is negotiating with the new government of Kosovo their mutual border demarcation, as well as on record as followign NATA and EU positions, and being a NATO and EU candidate state. Most NATO and EU states recognized independence of Kosovo, or are about to, and both EU and NATO are committed to enforcing its independence. All these facts persuade for marking Macedonia light blue, as intending to recognize.

Previous incarnations of this map included similarly biased and unwarranted selective reading, resulting in depicting India and Armenia in orange, which currently are painted again corectly in khaki, as neutral.

Editors should be aware of considerable POV-skewing going on both in the article edits and discussion on the English Wikipedia, and in subsequent coloring of these the maps on Commons. Changes to maps in Commons affect many other uses, quite apart from the latest, posibly POV, edit on the English Wikipedia, so care should be taken to keep these maps stable and NPOV, erring on the side of conservative changes, and making changes in clearly documented cases, such as an official recognition or official denial of recognition by a state. --Mareklug talk 22:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia

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Could someone please remove Malaysia as per [3]? --85.10.62.9 20:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Sweden and the Netherlands

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These two countries recently decided to recognise Kosovo as an independent nation. Dutch news regarding independence 62.140.134.14 16:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finland

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Finland recognises Kosovo.[4] --Apalsola t • c 10:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"neutral" Slovakia

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Just to prove my point these are the statements by Robert Fico, Slovakian PM on Kosovo interpreted as neutral by user Mareklug. Of course as in every other country there are opposing forces, in Croatian for an example two deputy PMs are against recognition but the PM has the final say and he decided that Croatia will recognize so in Slovakia PM decides too, not the president not the FM but PM.

"Historians liken the events in Serbia to those in Munich in 1938 or to the Vienna Arbitration," said the premier, expressing much the same view as his coalition partner, Slovak National Party (SNS) chairman Jan Slota. Fico added that Slovakia has no other option but to point verbally to the fact that a unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo contravenes international law. Until this issue is resolved, Slovakia won't recognise Kosovo as a state, he added. Referring to the four-month period that Slovak Foreign Minister Jan Kubis said is necessary for Slovakia to consider recognising Kosovo, Fico stressed that this doesn't mean that the country will automatically acknowledge Kosovo's independence when the given period expires. Fico also said that Slovakia has the right to its own stance, and shares the same view on Kosovo with several other EU-member states, including Spain. [The Munich Agreement, signed by Germany, France, Britain and Italy in Munich in 1938, paved the way for Germany's annexation of the Czechoslovak Sudetenland in the same year. Under the First Vienna Arbitration (1938), which came as a direct consequence of the Munich Agreement, territory in southern Slovakia that was home to a high proportion of ethnic Hungarians was transferred to Hungary. - ed. note]. [5]

Now he says that Slovakia might recognize if it's according to the international law and here is what Putin said

Russia could only recognize Kosovo's independence within the framework of international law, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Saturday. "If such a compromise is found, we will agree," Putin was quoted by Russian news agencies as telling the press after meeting with visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the first foreign leader to visit Russia since the country's March 2 presidential election. [6]

Fico said they have the same position as Spain and here is what they said in Spain

"The government of Spain will not recognize the unilateral act proclaimed yesterday by the assembly of Kosovo", Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos told reporters on arrival for a meeting of EU foreign ministers. "We will not recognize because we consider this does not respect international law", he said, adding that to be legal, secession from Serbia required either an agreement between the parties or a U.N. Security Council resolution.[7]


Ambiguous or not? If Slovakia is then Spain and Russia are too. --Avala 14:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahem. For the relevant quote from the same sources, see my talk page here on Commons, under "Russia", where User:Avala engaged me on Slovakia. Please note, what was said by the Prime Minister concerning the next 4 months, as the time to be taken by Slovakia to consider the situation fully and then make a ruling. By definition, that is not neutral -- no one claims that Slovakia is neutral -- that is "delaying decision in order to evaluate", which happens to fall under "khaki" and that is how we also marked Armenia and Canada.

Anyway, I am bringing up the issue of which version of the maps is factual, mine or Avala's, and which is to be preferred, if either, on w:Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence, because that is the locus of wikipedistic activity on this issue that I am aware of, and English is the common language of that discussion. Please join us there. --Mareklug talk 15:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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Unfortunately keeping sources only at English Wikipedia brought us a lot of misunderstanding here and allowed malicious edits to be made. It is very unusual and rare for admins to revert the article in content dispute before full locking but this has happened with International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence article today on Wikipedia so I believe it is a version we can trust.

These are the sources used on English Wikipedia:

  • Libya does not recognise Kosovo independence; Diplomacy Monitor mirror - Jeremic held meetings with Libyan Prime Minister Baghdadi Mahmudi, Foreign Secretary Suleman Shahomy and Secretary for European Affairs Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, who confirmed that Libya firmly supports Serbia’s stance regarding the declaration of independence by Kosovo which violates international law.
  • [8] - Monaco recognizes Kosovo
  • COMUNICADO DE PRENSA SITUACIÓN EN KOSOVO - Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile - Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Chile called on the parties concerned to achieve, by peaceable means, through dialogue and adherence to the international law, a solution that respects the principles and purposes of the United Nations Charter. Chile will continue to analyse the discussions that have taken and are taking place, both in the UN Security Council, and in the Council of Ministers of the European Union.
  • [9] - According to unnamed governmental sources quoted in Uruguayan press, Uruguay will not recognise Kosovo’s declaration of independence, because doing so would not be in accordance with its required three pillars of recognition: the principle of territorial integrity of states, achieving a solution through dialogue and consensus, and recognition by international organizations.
  • [10] - Mali's President Amadou Toumani Touré has expressed the Malian stance on Kosovo as follows: "International norms must be respected, because their abuse and the violation of territorial integrity could threaten a series of countries with a similar problem."
  • [11] [12] - In a newspaper article, ex-President Fidel Castro attacked Javier Solana accusing him of being the ideological father of the Kosovo independence. To Fidel Castro, Javier Solana is the synthesis of pure unreasonableness and injustice, as the Kosovo independence might create a precedent for Catalonia's independece, or that of the Basque Country. (After resigning the presidency, Fidel Castro became an advisor on foreign policy to the new President Raúl Castro, a position unanimously approved by the National Assembly of Cuba.)
  • Le gouvernement dénonce l' "ingérence" américaine - Mourad Medelci, Foreign Affairs Minister, said that "although Algeria sympathizes with all Muslim countries, we cannot yet recognise Kosovo as an independent state. There are international laws and they must be respected. We are following the situation very closely".
  • [13] [14] Nebojša Radmanović, the Serb member of the rotating tripartite presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina, stated that Bosnia and Herzegovina will not recognise Kosovo independence and called Kosovo an internal matter of Serbia. Željko Komšić, the Croat member of the presidency, who was presiding until 7 March 2008, has stated that "Bosnia will not recognize Kosovo soon". The presiding, Bosniak member of the presidency, Haris Silajdžić, the last Bosnian war-time politician who still actively impacts public life, said in an interview with a Turkish paper hours after taking office "that his country is unlikely to recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon due to strong objections from its own Serbian community."
  • Fico: Kosovo's Independence Resembles Munich Agreement [15] [16] [17] Prime Minister Robert Fico stated on Slovak television that the declaration of independence is analogous to the Munich Agreement that allowed the Third Reich to annex the Czechoslovak territory of Sudetenland, but he endorsed his Foreign Minister Ján Kubiš's statement that Slovakia will take 4 months to arrive at an official position to recognise or not recognize Kosovo's independence. Fico has also said that the creation of an independent Kosovo was a violation of international law, and added that it would be very difficult for his country to recognize Kosovo. On 10 March 2008 Slovakia's President Ivan Gašparovič said "that Slovakia did not think it was obliged to immediately recognise Kosovo, until it had formed its own position on the consequences of the province’s unilateral independence." He was further quoted: “I think some time for reflection is necessary, because Kosovo has given the 21st century a clear signal that it once again has to discuss questions concerning national minorities, their rights and even the revision of territories. For that reason, our decision will not follow quickly.” Deputy Prime Minister Dušan Čaplovič, said that by declaring independence without Serbian consent, Kosovo broke international law and created a precedent. Čaplovič declared a connection between Kosovo and the problem of organised crime.
  • [18] Turkey has been exerting significant efforts at a senior-level gathering of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) being held in Dakar, Senegal, to have a strongly worded statement lending support to Kosovo’s declaration of independence issued. Yet certain OIC members, including Azerbaijan, Egypt, Indonesia and Sudan, are firmly against any issuance of such a statement.
  • Indonesia - Indonesia supports Kosovo problem solution through negotiations
  • [19][20] - "It's never been the New Zealand Government's position to recognise in such circumstances. Over time the way in which we deal with those who govern in the territory will, I suppose, imply whether there is recognition, but we are not intending to make a formal statement," said Prime Minister Helen Clark.
  • Portugal não reconhece Kosovo - Assembly of the Republic discussed the issue twice and parties agreed that Portugal should not recognise Kosovo for now because the UN and the EU have not yet reached a consensus position.
  • [21] Portuguese President Anibal Cavaco Silva: "The unilateral declaration of independence is something very abnormal and there are no provisions for it in international law,"
  • [22] - Kuwait's ambassador to Russia said that his country "hopes that all participants of this discussion will listen to a voice of reason and will find the conciliatory proposal"
  • [23] - While San Marino recognises the right to self-determination; it also believes that "the Helsinki Final Act plays an important part of the precious equilibrium".

I will also use the opportunity to remind editors of the map legend

 
Kosovo
 
States which formally recognise Kosovo as independent.
 
States which have stated they intend to recognise formally Kosovo as independent.
 
States with undecided, unclear or ambiguous positions.
 
States which have expressed disagreement with unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations.
 
States which have stated they will not recognise Kosovo as independent.
 
States with no reported position at present.

I hope that everyone will support this new approach and that it will be successful in stopping malicious edits, misunderstandings, edit wars and all other bad things that surrounded this file.For me the source is indeed a holy cow. We can't trust anyone's word, we absolutely need references.

I would like to thank everyone who decides to join the cooperation and kindly ask all those who consider this map should be edited in accordance with personal beliefs and not sources to rethink.

--Avala 17:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New additions:

  • Norway [24] - It was decided by the King in Council today to recognise the Republic of Kosovo as an independent state. The Norwegian Government underscores that the guarantees provided regarding minority rights, religious and cultural heritage, the protection of the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo and the principles of the rule of law are considered to be binding under international law in accordance with the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008. Diplomatic relations will be established.
  • South Korea [25] - On March 28, the Republic of Korea recognized the Republic of Kosovo, which declared its independence on February 17, as a sovereign and independent state.

--Avala 11:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • India - Ambassador: India's Kosovo stand consistent - Indian Ambassador to Serbia Ajay Swarup confirmed his country's stance on Kosovo in an interview published today. "India's position on Kosovo has been and still is consistent, and that is that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of every country must be fully respected by all other countries," Swarup told the daily Večernje Novosti. "We believed that the Kosovo issue could be resolved in a peaceful manner, by way of dialogue and consultations, and our stand has remained unchanged ever since 1999, when India upheld UN Resolution 1244, which ended the war," the ambassador continued. "We have always believed in peaceful solutions, because there is no issue that cannot be resolved through consultations and dialogue," Swarup insisted. He added that a "high level of India's support to Serbia" can be seen from the comments and articles which appeared in the Indian press following the unilateral proclamation of Kosovo's independence. Swarup also pointed out that Kosovo "can set a very dangerous precedent for similar cases around the world". --Avala 11:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq and Morocco

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...should be red. Its Foreign Minister's statement is that he "supports non-interference in internal borders".

Next to that, the "mini-countries" like I introduced are really, really missing (those "circles"). Monaco and Liechtenstein have recognized Kosovo, while the Vatican City is against.

Morocco expressed worry, it should be orange.

Lithuania

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Why is Lithuania in the Pro-Serbian Version taken to have recognized Kosovo and here only to inted it.

Mexico

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If this can be confirmed with reliable sources, Mexico should be

 

instead of

 

. --Ephraim33 10:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from the german wikipedia

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Bitte die Karte aktualisieren, explizit Mexico. Merci.

"Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic said that both Argentina and Mexico have assured Serbia that they do not support Kosovo Albanian unilateral declaration of independence.

Jeremic's statement comes after his visit to Argentina and Mexico.

Argentinean foreign minister Jorge Taiana said that his country strongly supports Serbia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty and remains dedicated to the principles of international law. Jeremic and Taiana agreed on a series of joint steps within international multilateral institutions related to Serbia’s diplomatic approach to Kosovo noting that Serbia can count on full support by Argentina.

In Mexico, Jeremic will meet the President Calderone and take part in the regional economic forum.

Jeremic will also talk with Daniel Ortega from Nicaragua, President of Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras and with the foreign minister of Colombia. "

--Τιλλα 2501 21:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Czechia

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Czechia has recognised Kosovo [27] --Nolanus ✉ (C | E) 23:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update in light blue

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Maldives

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Source here : www.foreign.gov.mv 20:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Nigeria

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recognition by Nigeria has been disproved News about that on Serbian language --Јованвб (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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