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This image was considered as a featured picture (see Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Japanese river boat). However, it failed because it had slightly contradictory licenses (attribution required and public domain). The original photograph is 100+ years old, but the uploader explains that the scanning and rendering of the photograph justifies attribution (see User_talk:Esby#File:Japon-1886-32.jpg). So, should it be attribution required or public domain? Mikael Häggström (talk) 06:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Coucou ! Si tu estimes honnêtement que ton travail relève d'une intervention créative, tu peux rétablir ton ancienne licence et expliquer les choses à Infrogmation. Si c'est plus une restauration de l'œuvre originale, dans un effort de restitution des couleurs originales, la règle Commons est celle du PD-Art : une restitution fidèle d'une œuvre en deux dimensions ne comporte pas d'originalité, et donc ne fait pas l'objet d'un nouveau droit d'auteur. Dans ce cas, le fait de te créditer n'est pas obligatoire, mais tu peux bien sûr mentionner ton nom. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 16:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Hi. I don't understand French, but I guess it's about stating "attribution required" on a "Public Domain" image. In my point of view, do what you want - it's thanks to you that it is in Wikipedia. However, I'd be glad if the licenses on it were not contradictory, because then it would have a chance to pass as a featured picture (see it's last nomination at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Japanese river boat), and carry out its true potential. Even with Public Domain, it's your name that will decorate it as author. Mikael Häggström (talk) 07:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Well the main reason for my edits is that those images are not scans but photographs, so technically, after having read the guidelines on simple approximation, PD-old-100 should apply here. Now the images are not simple photographs but HDR photographs with custom tone mapping I adapted for each images to render the color in a realistic way. Now I (and we) don't know how the images looked initially 123 years ago. So technically the threshold of originality could be met to claim copyright, hence my initial dual licence gfdl + ccby. I also can't deny my partenity right of the french law, and can't technically release something to public domain. So I am given the following choices: Releases the images under PD template, while reminding that attribution must be respected, or restablish the original free dual licences, under the color originality. There is also another factor, there is not 1 images, but 49. So the same decision should be applied to all. Esby (talk) 18:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Further comments

If the uploader doesn't want to release it to the public domain, then I think an attribution required license only, like {{CC-by-sa}} is better than it is now. Mikael Häggström (talk) 06:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

the original licence I used was GFDL + CCBY. see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/w/index.php?title=File:Japon-1886-32.jpg&oldid=13250338 Esby (talk) 09:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I see it's Public Domain now. If there are no other changes that need to be tended immediately, I'd like to nominate it for featured picture again. Mikael Häggström (talk) 15:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

{{PD-France}} template

The idea settled in my mind for a while, and I think it's time to ask for an advise now, given the situation: would the creation of a {{PD-France}} template, explaining the stakes of the French laws on moral rights? →Diti the penguin — 11:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Photographer

According to the descriptions in the book "Art & Artifice", p. 18 & 94 this picture shows a Pleasure boat on the Sumida River near Mukōkima, Tokyo (Mukōjima) and is one of Uchida Kuichi's "very excellent views", originally taken about 1872 and reissued by Kusakabe Kimbei about 1885. of course a hand-tinted albumen print. http://oldphoto.lb.nagasaki-u.ac.jp/en/target.php?id=2665 & http://oldphoto.lb.nagasaki-u.ac.jp/en/target.php?id=4583 without any photographer though --Catfisheye (talk) 23:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)