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Tyrol du Sud

Vraiment, Felisopus, il n'y a aucune preuve que l'allemand soit langue (même officielle) du Tyrol du Sud...95.90.118.201 09:36, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I guess the user's tone was ironic since German clearly is an official and majority language in South Tyrol/Südtirol. To be corrected on the map. 89.180.148.128 17:00, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Please remove Corsica

The light blue of Corsica should be removed. As of today, in the island there are no native speakers of Italian as a mother tongue, except of course the Italian immigrants. Alex2006 (talk) 08:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Issues with this map

There are a couple of issues with this map, which I think should be corrected:

1. Italy
   1. Province of Bolzano: Italian is the majority language only in 5 out of 116 municipalities.
   2. Province of Trento: In most of Val di Fassa, Italian is a minority language
   3. Rest of Italy: I am uncertain whether there are further regions within Italy where Italian is a minority language (perhaps some parts of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Valle d'Aosta, Sardinia/Sardegna or Piedmont/Piemonte?)
2. Switzerland
   1. Valais/Vallese: as far as I know, there is no Italian-speaking minority
   2. Ticino: correct
   3. Graubünden/Grigioni: some reductions are needed (e.g., there is no Italian-speaking minority in Val Müstair)
3. Austria: There is no Italian-speaking minority
4. Slovenia: The light-blue area needs to be restricted to the coastal area
5. Croatia: The light-blue area needs to be restricted to the west coast of Istria; on the other hand, Zadar/Zara should be added
6. Montenegro: I have only found information that there is a small Italian minority in Kotor

France & Monaco are probably correct. As regards Albania, I don't know, so I won't change anything.

I will correct these mistakes in the near future. Comments are welcome! Hanno (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I have now uploaded a corrected version that contains the changes mentioned above (for Trentino-Alto Adige, Vallese, Grigioni, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro). In addition, I decided to remove the light blue colour for Albania, since I could not find any reliable report of a significant Italian-speaking minority in Italy (it seems that Italian is the most important forein language in Albania, but that does not make it a minority language).

I am still uncertain whether there should be more light blue areas within Italy. This Linguistic map of Italy indicates several areas where non-Italian languages are spoken. However, I don't know whether these languages are actually spoken by the majority of the population in these areas. If anyone knows (and has documentation), please add this information!

Hanno (talk) 07:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hanno: Hi, I am part of the Italian minority in Slovenia so I think I can help you, in Italy they speak several languages that in Italian we call "dialects" because they are similar / derived from Italian, but whoever speaks any dialect can also speak Italian, indeed it is easier to find someone who can speak only in Italian. Especially in northern Italy the dialects are falling into disuse. Despite this I do not understand why it is necessary to make light blue areas in Italy itself, it is true there are minority languages and in some areas they are the majority, but as for dialects also in South Tyrol there is a German-Italian bilingualism, so I think that South Tyrol should also be dark blue like the rest of Italy.

Then I think the Slovenian coast should be added (I belong to the Italians of Capodistria / Koper), as is Istria, where there is an Italian minority. Mvvnlightbae (talk) 03:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Mvvnlightbae. Thank you so much for feedback and for sharing your knowledge! Your answer rises an important point, which is: what is this map meant to show? I have understood it as (1) a map of the areas where the majority or a notable minority currently has an Italian mother tongue. The map would look rather different if it is meant to illustrate, for example, (2) the areas where there have been historical Italian-speaking minorities, or (3) the areas where Italian is taught as a major foreign language, or (4) the areas where Italian is the only or one of several official language(s). My response assumes that the map is indeed intended in the first of the above senses.

• Regarding the coasts of Slovenia and Istria, these areas are coloured light blue in the current version of the map.
• Regarding South Tyrol, children of the German-speaking majority learn Italian at school as their first foreign language, but not so many are actually bilingual in the sense of mastering both languages as their mother tongue (and/or "father tongue"). Therefore I think that the light blue colour is justified.
• Regarding the other languages in Italy, I was less concerned with dialects of Italian than with areas inhabited by Italy's Albanian-, Greek-, Arpitan-speaking minorities etc. I have not been able to verify that these languages are actually spoken by a majority in the relevant areas, which is why I chose dark blue for the rest of Italy. I am not sure that this was a correct decision, however.

Hanno (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2019 (UTC)