File talk:Headstone of Thomas F. Bergin and his spouse Martha.jpg

Claimed GPS co-ordinates are likely invalid

The claimed GPS coordinates appear to be Wales (North?) whereas the photographer thinks he took this image in Harold's Cross. Hope to sort later. The location is available in a map in IRRS archives. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Djm-leighpar, for now I removed the contradicting data and templates and instead added data about the location in the description. If you have a problem with the GPS data on your camera, the camera repair shop might could help you out. Yet you mention the photographer in the third person as if this is some-one else!? Yet you have listed yourself as the photographer, which is kind of confusing.

One other thing, since the birth date of the person Thomas F. Bergin is unknown, I am interested in what the gravestone mentioned. I have tried to read the text but only was able to read fragment. Do you have the whole text? -- Mdd (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I had yomped over from Havant via Fratton - Old Holby - Haddocks town and holed up in WS Carmarthen in an aircon'd WS with free coffee refills. I'd set out really early because it was the hottest day of the year 19 July 2023 and I'd guessed the trains would be cancelled later in the day as the rails heated up and cancelled. The Carmarthen Fishguard train was cancelled but luckily I realised this just in time to get a couple of buses to Under Milk Wood and did some photography there. Took the overnight ferry to Rosslare and up to Dublin. I rarely enable GPS on my camera but did for location purposes round Fishguard / Dublin. My dog had a paddy over roaming for some reason so I was only getting data to it via Wi-Fi hotspots until by network provider sorted its life out which was late that day. I did some touring/photo round Dún Laoghaire. (But missed Pims and Bailey at that place though I was really looking for it and thought it was closed ... ). visited the IRRS library in the evening but hadn't managed to like up a search of the archives. I've loaded a fair number (but not all) of images to commons from my day round Dublin. The next day I was on the train to South Sligo. I had the sx240 (+ spare batteries) and my e7i phone which i used to take photos as I needed to travel light. Oh yes ... my use of third person (the photographer thinks he took this image in Harold's Cross ... yes I was the photographer. I was trying for 18 months for others to get a phone of this and I failed. I'd also paid c. é7 earlier for Mt. Jerome staff to locate the grave which they did brilliantly then forgot to bring a print out with me and I've busses to the graveyard and I can't fid my instructions on how to find it. Luckily the office there were brilliant and managed to locate my email and instructions and printed it out for me ... and even with those it took me 20 mins to find it but my orienteering was always dodgy. I have a number of other images that have the inscription better. I swear Mt. Jerome sent me in the inscription and a grave image when I inquired but perhaps I missed something (actually it may be on a hardcopy letter not digitised which is why I am getting confused ... seems a long time ago). I have other images close up of the inscription and I might load to flickr but my reading of the inscription from those is as follows;

"To the memory of / Thomas F. Bergin / de?????ed to ????? / December 1(?) 1862 / aged ?? / ??????? / cast out / also of / beloved and faithful wife / MARTHA / who died ?? Oct 1866(?) / Psalm LXX III". I may have misread this. Thinking back they did send me a letter. I was beginning to de-hydrate at 12:45 after coming up on the 04:xx from Rosslare but I had had a shower at the Tbodge. I'll try to dig some more some time. I am CIR. -- User:Djm-leighpark_(a)^talk 02:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mdd A few points:

• I loaded all relevant images to my photostream at [1]
• Some of the removed tags may remain relevant as the co-ords are in the extended details and proprogate to wikidata. But I'm not going there this morning to re-introduce fix this. See some earlier image where I had a battle over something.
• I can't make out the inscription "cast out" buts its probably a couple of lines from the Bible. All indications are Bergin was a Protestant. I have seen possibilities references to Bergin being employed at the Docks probably in a "clerk" role and being good with the figures, maybe a logistics organizer man, but just might have got involved with the steaamships. He may have been pensioned off early in the 1920's and become bankrupt (and I'd speculate a possibility the somewhat older Martha took him in ... this is a wild guess). He may have had an acquaintance on the steamships. No evidence of him being at TCD. Seems to have learned railway admin on secondment at the L&MR under Booth in 1833. Possibly more of a mechanical that civil engineer: (1sT "CEO" of an Irish railway company and also first "CME" as well until roles separated). My feeling is team "Vignoles, Bergin and Pim" were not happy with Rastrick's prefernce for the Sharp engine but somehow got Forrester's to build a variant of the Dodd's Star. Study of L&MR and &KR interaction is interesting. The L&MR and D&KR developed inter-carriage couplings in the mid-1830's and I think Bergin fell out with Booth over it.
• All evidence/memory leans towards Mt. Jerome having sent me a harddopy letter and I digitised that to try to get "ruggerman" who lives right side of Dublin to Mt. Jerome to get me an image uploaded to commons ... "ruggerman" is a Dub and more interested in the "Rugger", and to be fair Covid was rife and restrictions high and vaccination immunity low at that time. I see if I can find that letter in my heap filing system.
• The Psalms at the bottom appears to be LXXIII: Psalms 73 (Masoretic numbering, psalm 72 in Greek numbering) or Psalm 74 (Greek numbering: 73 in Hebrew) the former being more likely IMHO. The choice of Psalm might be saying something.

-- User:Djm-leighpark_(a)^talk 09:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I was set a letter and I have found the original A3 map. However my failed memory recalls being told the inscription (or part of it?) at the same time possibly with a photo. But my memory storage may have jumbled thoughts, images, later thoughts etc. On the visit I recalled thinking it was possible the stone had withered in the past 18/24 months or whatever since my enquiry. The inscription was in a worse weathered state that I expected which is why I tried to take close up photos. I was using my sx240 as primary and E7i phone as backup in case an SD card failed etc. -- User:Djm-leighpark_(a)^talk 09:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)