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Note to editors concerned about colouring
  • I have sent a letter to the Ministry of Information Communication and Media Relations of the Fiji Government about the correct colours of the flag.
  • If you have to settle, my two cents are that you should go for the colouring as at 03:59, 16 January 2006, since this is also the same Pantone 549C (the screen RGB version rather than the washed-out CMYK version). If you doubt this, see World Flag Database (well-known vexilologist there). Feel free to think otherwise.
  • As for me, I'll wait till the Ministry of ICMR gets back to me.
Greentubing (en:WP talk) 11:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

All the government sites use the lighter blue (less greeny) with the pointed shield (not rounded). http://images.google.com/images?q=flag%20site%3Afiji.gov.fj FWIW.

Also please discuss things on the talk page. :p ¦ Reisio 21:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh yes I think the discuss should be moved here. Anyway, as I was saying earlier, for reasons I will describe below I think the sky blue should match the sky blues of other British flags (ie the colour of 03:59, 16 January 2006), unless there is a direction from the Fiji Government as to which colours should be used. I am reluctant to follow the colours on Fiji Govt pages atm, since if they are following British colour specs the Union flag should correct for a start (the blue on the Union Flag on their official symbols page is not correct) and it follows the sky blue should change by the same proportion. I have a feeling that the flag image on that page is not intended to be exact.
As I've said over and over, I will repeat the following for the benefit of new editors (edited for clarity):
The problem stems from the Pantone specs. You can interpret Pantone 549C in two ways:
  • For print (lighter): Cyan = 52% Magenta = 6% Yellow = 0% Black (K) = 25%
  • For screen (darker): Red = 99/255 Green = 153/255 Blue = 171/255
I prefer the latter since WP is a computer-based resource. Bartram on his World Flag Database seems to agree with the latter colouring also. The case for the former is that is more familiar to some.
The version we are facing (of 06:03, 30 January 2006) is "sky blue" inputted using CMYK (the print version). The version I originally created (of 03:59, 16 January 2006) was inputted using RGB (the screen version), which is the colour used on the flag of the RAF flag, the Civil Air Ensign and the Flag of Tokelau, and is almost the same (in terms of dark/lightness) as Bartram.
The problem is the change from print to screen. If this colour is printed on fabric, it will appear correct as the fabric flys in the sky with the sun behind it (kinda poetic :p).
The very very first version of the flag uses colours which do not match the Union Flag on Commons nor the sky blue on the RAF flag.
Actually I think we can solve this problem in the mean time by reverting to the very very first version and then waiting for the Fiji Government's official answer, and I will do that once this is posted.
Greentubing (en:WP talk) 08:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree on this move, revert to the previous edition until we get official word from Fiji government or some other realible source. I did email info@fiji.gov.fj (the email address on the Fiji government home page) but I was just directed to the flag on their 'About' pages... Leftist (en:WP talk) 19:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
My recent emails to the local Fiji High Comm. and the MICMR have had no replies. Someone with access to an authoritative flag book needs to look up Fiji. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 23:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Can i pop in here, i've seen the so called tokelauan flag (btw it has no official status) flying next to the fiji and tuvalu flag at the University of the South Pacific - the tokelauan flag is much darker, tuvalu and fiji have the same blue. Xorkl000(en:WP talk) 10:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Fyi here's Bartram on Tokelau. He works (worked?) for the Ministry of Defence; imho he's authoritative (within reason) on British-derived flags. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 19:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
On what source is the use of PMS 549C based? I'm not against it, but I couldn't find anything about it at World Flag Database. Also, I'd be interested to know where the RGB conversion for it is obtained from, as Photoshop suggests #5B97B1, which looks rather different. –Vzb83 15:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems I was looking at the wrong version. The version which had 549C has nearly the same tone as Photoshop suggested. Furthermore, FOTW, Vexilla mundi and the World flag Database all use the pointed shield, so I'm going to revert the rounded one but keep the centering. –Vzb83 15:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately I can't find the original site where I got the 549C RGB conversion from, though it matched up with the WP sky blue. However while I was trying to find the original source over the night I came along this professional design site, which looks informative and has relevant info on colour space. 549 there seems pretty similar (though a tad lighter). He notes he got the RGB values in sRGB space (not Adobe) in Coreldraw--since he's a professional I'm willing to believe that he has calibrated his monitor and adjusted lihgting etc for these values. One minor problem I have with Adobe values is, IIRC, that Adobe's Pantone RGB values are oriented towards eventual print uses while sRGB imo is for web and other digital uses. I have put a thread on Project:Flags about the need for a constant set of reference colours for use on Commons. Greentubing (en:WP talk) 23:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

FOTW said the Flags and Anthems Manual London 2012 provides recommendations for the flag of Fiji, with the color shades specified as PMS codes: 2915 blue, 281 blue, 032 red, 109 yellow, 355 green, 440 green and black. --Great Brightstar (talk) 05:03, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to Pantone website, these colors should be:
 

#62B5E5

 

#00205B

 

#EF3340

 

#FFD100

 

#009639

 

#2D2926

--Great Brightstar (talk) 05:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New lighter colour

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I'm pretty sure the older colour was based on some conversion or another of PMS 549 C, whereas this one is more like 292C:

 

#51b5e0

 

#63B1E5

(left: as is on the image now, right: PMS 292 C based on the chart.)

"Azure blue" (PMS 549 C) is meant to be

 

#5E9CAE

and the Wikimedia Commons guidance states "Sometimes 292C (#63B1E5) is used to approximate the effect on fabric of 549C. While Pantone 549C is darker, this is normal. (Source: Graham Bartram (5 Dec. 2003) Flags of the World: United Kingdom: Royal Air Force)"

I think it should be reverted to the previous colouration---first off Vex Mundi is not the most reliable source, FOTW's images are based on refernce colours ("blue", "red" etc are given the same interpretation a lot of the time across images), and CIA is just the CIA book, not a flag book. That said, the reference above is from FOTW. The lighter effect of the current version is a cosmetic change. 118.90.51.62 03:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was only changed to the light color recently due to issues surrounding the rendition of the coat of arms on this flag. Anyways, I am going to try and find out what color should be used for this flag, just give me some time please. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Screen vs Real Life

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The "new" colour of 9 May 08 is a bit too light. The previous colour, while not perfect, was a bit closer to the actual colour. As its been stated in the comment above, the light colour is only an approximation. See the pics below: the actual colour looks dark on the screen, but that is becuase there is no sun shining through the fabric.

(From w:en:British ensign.)

The blue used on the Fiji flag is RAF blue aka sky blue.

118.90.4.200 11:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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