Commons talk:Zentralbibliothek Zürich

Todo

• Remove "[" and "]" from the "date" field Kelson (talk) 18:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)  Done
• Implement --override function in the upload script to be able to reupload pictures Kelson (talk) 16:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)  Done
• Find a way to deal with collections of pictures Kelson (talk) 16:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)  Done
• By updating the description page, we completly erase the previous modifications, this is a problem. Kelson (talk) 12:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)  Done
• I would suggest that you automatically add the {{PD-old-100}} tag instead of the {{PD-old}} tag for works whose creator has been dead for more than 100 years. See: Instructions concerning PD-tags. Beat Estermann (talk) 12:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC), edited 17 March 2013. {[done}}
• I would suggest that the "photograph template" be used instead of the "artwork template" for photographs and photochroms. Beat Estermann (talk) 15:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Questions / Difficulties

February 2013

File:Zentralbibliothek Zürich - Ideen zu einer Geographie der Planzen nebst einem Naturgemälde der Tropenländer - 000012142.jpg

• on the image it says "1805", in the metadata it says "1807" as creation date --ThurnerRupert (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

Creator:Hans_Adam

• "Formschneider" and "Briefmaler" are not on the official list of professions in Commons (see also: Template:Occupation) Beat Estermann (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Zentralbibliothek Zürich - Eyn seltzam und wunderbarlichen Thier der gleichen von uns vor nie gesehen worden - 000003341.jpg

• Melchior Lürig (Konstantinopel) ist in der Bild-Überschrift als Urheber der Zeichnung genannt, auf der der Druck von Hans Adam (Nürnberg) basiert. In den ZB-Metadaten fehlt die Angabe zum Urheber ("Anonym"). Siehe dazu allerdings: Parshall P. IMAGO CONTRAFACTA: Images and Facts in the Northern Renaissance // Art History. Vol. 16, No 4, December, 1993. P. 554–579. (Volltext in russischer Übersetzung)), welcher unter Verweis auf B. Weber (Weber B. Wunderzeichen und Winkeldrucker, 1543 – 1586. Zürich, 1972. P. 70. Nt. 7, PAS II 5 / 8; Weber B. Inabsoluti hominis historia persequenda. Über die Richtigkeit wissenschaftlicher Illustration in einigen Basler und Zürcher Drucken des 16. Jahrhunderts // Gutenberg Jahrbuch. 1986. P. 119 – 20) auf Zweifel an der Urheberschaft Melchior Lürigs hinweist. nicht signiert von --Beat Estermann (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Meta information concerning size, materials, printing technique, etc.

• Would it be possible to include information about the size of the prints in the meta data that is provided by the ZB? (This goes also for other information that cannot be easily guessed without having access to the original work. I was spontaneously thinking of the materials used, the printing technique as well as the collection the print belongs to. I'm however no expert, so I don't really know to what extent experts would be able to identify materials and printing technique solely on the basis of a high resolution scan.) To give a concrete example: A size indication of the "Nordbahn" Print would give some indication as to whether the print was used as a poster or rather as a leaflet... Beat Estermann (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Update: This information is included in the metadata provided by Zentralbibliothek Zürich in MARC21 format. We are working on improving the script that uploads the metadata to Commons. Beat Estermann (talk) 19:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Wickiana page on Commons

• I wonder whether the Wickiana page on Commons is still needed. Too me it seems to be redundant with Commons-Category "Wickiana". Any thoughts on that? Beat Estermann (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Year of creation

• What do years in square brackets mean? (e.g. [1650]) - Do the square brackets in the Library catalogue have a particular meaning? Beat Estermann (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Update: According to Mr Hesse from ZB, a date in square brackets means that the date has been deduced; there is no hard proof. Beat Estermann (talk) 11:24, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Derivative works

How should we upload, link and categorize derivative works? - To illustrate the article "Protestant Reformers" I have used a cropped version of this picture. - Issues/questions encountered:

• Should I add another version to the existing picture (overwriting the previous one) or should I upload the cropped version as a separate file? - I opted for the second alternative; the problem with this is that we would theoretically have to copy all the metadata from the original file (there seems to be no way of transcluding the metadata), but having metadata about one and the same picture in various places really doesn't make any sense to me.

• Should I add the category "Media_contributed_by_Zentralbibliothek_Zürich" to the cropped version of the picture? Or is this category reserved for the original versions only? (In either case this will screw up the statistics: either uploaded pictures are counted twice or we don't count the instances where derivative versions of the uploaded pictures have been used.)

Beat Estermann (talk) 11:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

• For this picture something went wrong with the upload script: the artist was given as "anonymous". --Beat Estermann (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)