Commons:Valued image candidates/Allennes-les-Marais, Event barge L'Eldorado (NV2329F).jpg

Allennes-les-Marais, Event barge L'Eldorado (NV2329F).jpg

undecided

Image
Nominated by	Pierre André (talk) on 2024-03-17 10:36 (UTC)
Scope	Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope: L'Eldorado - Event barge (Lambersart), bow and starboard view.
Used in	Global usage
Review (criteria)	Best in Scope --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)  Oppose IMO there are problems with this nomination. Per COM:VICR (6) and Category:Ships, the categorization needs to be improved. Per COM:VICR (3), image is cluttered and too dark. --GRDN711 (talk) 15:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)  Comment @GRDN711: , @Archaeodontosaurus: thanks for your advice, brightening the image too dark. ---- Scope changed from L'Eldorado - Péniche évènementielle (Lambersart) to L'Eldorado - Event barge (Lambersart) {{{3}}} Please notify previous voters of this change. Remember: "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards; an oppose vote is counted unless it is changed or withdrawn". , best regards.--Pierre André (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)  Comment There are at least 1,239,284 images of ships in Commons, and that's not even counting boats, sailing ships, sailboats and barges. If Commons is going to have a collection this large, there has to be structure for categorizing ship images just as there is an organizing lexicon for plant and animal species, shells, insects, airplanes, trains etc. As described in Commons Category:Ships - "How to create a category for a ship", a ship is positively and uniquely identified from the ship name on the hull, the build year and a universal identifying number. This is important as ships can have more than one name. There can also be several ships of the same name, even of the same name built in the same year. For ships, there are 3 universal identifying numbers recognized by Commons in the following order of preference: • IMO ####### (International Maritime Organization; 7-digits; global forever ID - hull number never changes over ship life) is the best identifying number for ships if available. • ENI ######## (European Number of Identification; 8-digits; Europe forever ID - never changes over ship life) – acceptable if IMO# is not available. • MMSI ######### (Maritime Mobile Service Identity; 9-digits; depends on flag state – not global forever; can change in rare cases over ship life – used only if IMO# or ENI# is not available. • If none of above universal identifying numbers are available, Ship-by-Name Category should be named "<name of ship> (ship, <build-year>, <place-of-build> <yard # if available>)". In this case, you made up your own system of categorization through the ship call number that does not match the ship-by-name system that Commons uses. Image is lighter (good) but the nom is incorrectly categorized. I remain opposed. --GRDN711 (talk) 02:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Indeed, despite my research I did not find any indication given on the hull, the year of construction and the universal identification number of this boat. Previously it was attached to the port of Conflans: Registration NV2329F (Nevers). I created a categorization via ship port number which does not match the ship name system used by Commons.--Pierre André (talk) 11:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)  Comment If the ship is sufficiently notable, basic information on the vessel is usually available. Outside of Commons, another credible user-site for ship images, without any financial barriers to access, is Shipspotting.com.--GRDN711 (talk) 15:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC) @GRDN711: Thank you for the Shipspotting.com link which unfortunately does not have any photos on this barge. Best regards.--Pierre André (talk) 09:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC) Result: 1 support, 1 oppose => undecided. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)