Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Sa-warthog.jpg

Image:Sa-warthog.jpg, featured

•  Info A warthog (Phacochoerus africanus) taking refuge from the hot sun. created by Sanjay Acharya - uploaded by Sanjay Acharya - nominated by Sanjay Acharya --Sanjay ach 21:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Support --Sanjay ach 21:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Oppose Shame it is obviously in a zoo so no FP. Lycaon 21:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Question I do not understand this. Why are non-zoo animal pictures a criteria for featured pictures and what does a zoo environment got to do with "not" being in a feature picture? Sanjay Acharya 22:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• It's not a criteria, certain users feel that pictures of animals outside of their natural habitat have less value. Calibas 04:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• Zoo pictures can be FP. But they tend to have less wow, so it can be an uphill battle. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• I also never really understood that. If a picture of an animal in a zoo is good then I vote with support. Photos can also illustrate life of animals in a zoo. --AngMoKio 15:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• I hope people here don't only count votes, but also make sure that irrelevant arguments are discarded. The place a picture is taken has nothing to do whatsoever with its quality. Jon Harald Søby 15:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

• All arguments that concern the intrinsic value of a photograph are relevant. These arguments are amongst others, dependent on the nature of the image (e.g. historical, biological, astronomical, etc.). The place a picture is taken can have lots of relevance. This picture, e.g., is not advertised as an image of a bored, confined animal in a zoo, which as such paints a misleading picture. Lycaon 10:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

•  Support, pin sharp, interesting. --Aqwis 17:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Support If a animal isn't posing in front of a fence or unnatural objects i have no problem with pictures taken in a zoo or sanctuary. This is a remarkable good picture of a resting warthog, the comp is surely a matter of taste --Richard Bartz 18:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Question Was this picture nominated @ FPC before ? It looks so familiar ... --Richard Bartz 18:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• I had posted this picture as a candidate for Quality Images. May be you must have seen it there. Sanjay Acharya 21:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

  ...which can also easily be veried with What links here, no link to historic FPC logs. -- Slaunger 23:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• I saw that .. but often there are many versions --Richard Bartz 11:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

•  Support Nothing in the picture speaks obvious zoo pic to me. Very sharp and captures the moment well. I would not exclude an excellent shot just because it is in a zoo. In can be challenging to get shots without zoo structures in them. -- Relic38 23:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Support --Simonizer 13:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Support Jon Harald Søby 15:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Neutral The quality is great. But i am not totally convinced by the compostition. --AngMoKio 17:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Support showing distinctly details of the head and a natural behaviour of the animal, so zoo location doesn't mind for me --B.navez 06:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • This is not natural behaviour. This is typical zoo behaviour: being bored, not having to forage as food is given regularly. You won't readily see warthogs lulling in nature (and I have seen many of them all over southern Africa). This (and the pole) is what typifies it as an obvious zoo pic. I do like the details of the picture, so I gave it a QI stamp right away, but for FP it is too unnatural for me. Lycaon 20:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Is natural/unnatural a criteria for FP? As i said above, an excellent photo can also illustrate zoo behaviour of animals. ...and as you say, this photo seems to illustrate exactly that behaviour. --AngMoKio 23:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
      • That is correct, if it is canvassed as such. Lycaon 10:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
•  Neutral quality is good, but for me the animal does not look interesting in this composition. /Ö 17:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

result: 7 support, 1 oppose, 2 neutral => featured. Simonizer 15:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC) (other votes too late)

•  Oppose The composition doesn't do it for me. Dori - Talk 00:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
•  Oppose composition is not that amazing -- Gorgo 18:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)