Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Roza-Shanina profile.jpg
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No indication that image is PD in either Russia or US Papa November (talk) 17:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's obvious. She weres a Russian Uniform from WW2, the war when she was killed, so obviously it's before 45, not talking 53', which makes it PD in Russia, and since it's a Russian image, that makes it PD everywhere. There's a link [1] the year is 44' it it was taken by Russians since it belongs to the Podolsk sniperschool. 82.81.155.23 17:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- What's the significance of 1945 here? I don't know why that would make the image PD in Russia. Also, images aren't automatically PD in the US if they are PD in the source country. Papa November (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- The significance is that 1945 is before 1954. Works published before 1954 are PD if the copyright was held by a corporation or the state, or for anonymous works ({{PD-Soviet-revised}}). There are a number of caveats here: 1. This only applies to Russia, not the rest of the Soviet Union. Do we know that this work was taken in Russia? 2. If the photo was taken by a person who was still alive or 1 January 1954 (or 1950 for a veteran), this doesn't apply. 3. The law changed on 1 January 2008 (see {{PD-Russia}}), so the status of the photo might have changed. Unless the IP user can provide more evidence as to why this is "obviously" PD, I'll vote
Delete. Pruneautalk 19:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I didn't know about that. If the image copyright was owned by the state (Podolsk sniper school) and it was taken before 1944, then presumably we've now shown that the image is PD in Russia. It would have entered the public domain in Russia in 1994, which makes it PD in the US too. Does that make everything OK now? Papa November (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I didn't know the copyright is owned by the state. I think we're fine. There is a possibility that the new law changes the status, but I don't understand that law, so my best guess is to change my vote to
Keep. Pruneautalk 22:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- I've updated the image license tags to reflect this discussion. Papa November (talk) 00:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I didn't know the copyright is owned by the state. I think we're fine. There is a possibility that the new law changes the status, but I don't understand that law, so my best guess is to change my vote to
- Thanks, I didn't know about that. If the image copyright was owned by the state (Podolsk sniper school) and it was taken before 1944, then presumably we've now shown that the image is PD in Russia. It would have entered the public domain in Russia in 1994, which makes it PD in the US too. Does that make everything OK now? Papa November (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- The significance is that 1945 is before 1954. Works published before 1954 are PD if the copyright was held by a corporation or the state, or for anonymous works ({{PD-Soviet-revised}}). There are a number of caveats here: 1. This only applies to Russia, not the rest of the Soviet Union. Do we know that this work was taken in Russia? 2. If the photo was taken by a person who was still alive or 1 January 1954 (or 1950 for a veteran), this doesn't apply. 3. The law changed on 1 January 2008 (see {{PD-Russia}}), so the status of the photo might have changed. Unless the IP user can provide more evidence as to why this is "obviously" PD, I'll vote
- What's the significance of 1945 here? I don't know why that would make the image PD in Russia. Also, images aren't automatically PD in the US if they are PD in the source country. Papa November (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to double check the current status of {{PD-Soviet-revised}} as it's only used on 2 images and doesn't appear in the list of tags. I've started a discussion at the village pump. Papa November (talk) 18:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, {{PD-Soviet-revised}} was a temporary attempt to word {{PD-Russia}}. It should've been redirected to the latter long ago. Which I've done now. The 1954 cut-off year is no longer valid. (In fact, on the Commons, it never was; we should've used the 1942 cut-off for Russian works applicable in the U.S. instead.) Use {{PD-Old}} or {{PD-Russia-2008}} or {{PD-RusEmpire}}, if possible. Lupo 12:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for clearing that up. It seems therefore, that the image was PD in Russia from 1994 to 1st January 2008. This means that it was PD in Russia on the URAA date, and is therefore PD in the US. However, its copyright in Russia was restored on 1st January 2008. In summary:
- The image is PD in the US
- It is not PD in Russia, and therefore should be deleted from Commons. Papa November (talk) 13:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I've made a local upload to en:Wikipedia as their copyright restrictions are less strict. Papa November (talk) 13:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, it's not PD in the U.S. Taken in 1944, surely by someone who worked or fought during the Great Patriotic War: that gives us a copyright term valid in Russia until 2004 of 54 years, then extended to 74 years. In 1996, the image was thus copyrighted in Russia (1996-54=1942, which is < 1944), and hence it is copyrighted in the U.S. Lupo 13:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, but does this not count as a work with copyright held by the state? As such, the copyright term would have been been 50 years after publication (1994). Is this too much to assume? If so, I'll get rid of the wikipedia version again! Papa November (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, it's not PD in the U.S. Taken in 1944, surely by someone who worked or fought during the Great Patriotic War: that gives us a copyright term valid in Russia until 2004 of 54 years, then extended to 74 years. In 1996, the image was thus copyrighted in Russia (1996-54=1942, which is < 1944), and hence it is copyrighted in the U.S. Lupo 13:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for clearing that up. It seems therefore, that the image was PD in Russia from 1994 to 1st January 2008. This means that it was PD in Russia on the URAA date, and is therefore PD in the US. However, its copyright in Russia was restored on 1st January 2008. In summary:
Deleted. per Lupo MichaelMaggs (talk)
