Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Queen Maria of Yugoslavia.jpg

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Image:Queen_Maria_of_Yugoslavia.jpg

Invalid license; no source (uploader removed a previous nsd tag) Davepape 02:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep There is a same picture in Serbian wikipedia [1] Snake bgd 15:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I added info from sr:Слика:Kraljica marija.jpg and w:Maria of Romania.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 21:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • It still needs a valid license. It currently claims PD-US, even though there's no indication it's a US work (and 1923 is not "prior to January 1, 1923"). --Davepape 02:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - The Kingdom of Yugoslavia didn’t exist any more and as such didn’t has any copyright protection according the Yugoslavia law... --FSHL 06:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: I don't think that reasoning is correct. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was member of the Berne Convention since 1930.[2] Note that article 35 of the Berne Convention states that if a country leaves the BC, the works that were internationally copyrighted until then remain copyrighted in other BC countries. This might concern works from the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. No opinion on the image itself, except that it certainly cannot be tagged PD-US, which is applicable to U.S. works only. Lupo 11:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

•  Comment to Lupo - Your BC objection isn’t relevant – Image:Queen_Maria_of_Yugoslavia.jpg is dated on 1923... --FSHL 14:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment: when a country joins the Berne Convention, all existing works that are still copyrighted in that country become copyrighted in the other signatory countries of the Berne Convention. So, unless the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had a copyright term on photographs inferior to 7 years from creation, my BC reasoning is relevant. Lupo 21:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Every country has a "successor in interest" e.g. it's rights, privileges and obligations pass on on someone/something else. Kingdom of Yugoslavia didn't leave the convention, and there is a succession line from that country, by socialist Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro to currently Serbia, so this image is not in public domain simply because the country it originated in is no more. That argument is moth. Valid licensing info is still needed. By the way, the original site claims "All rights protected by law" in Serbian bellow the image. --Branislav Jovanovic 08:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

•  Comment to Branislav Jovanovic - May be it’s not PD »simply because the country it originated in is no more« – but possibly just because the image was made 84 years ago? --FSHL 11:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As we all know, this is no indication for the death of the artist more than 70 years ago. It’s even more possible that the artist died not more than 70 years ago. Grüße, --Polarlys 12:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

•  Comment to Polarlys - I give you at least just partial right – it’s in fact no adequate reason but there’re as well sufficient reasons that speaks for it... --FSHL 14:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Uploader dated this image as 1922, then 1923, but from where did he get that info? On the original page, only date is "(C) 1997"; So if the uploader could please provide info as to the time this picture was taken, that can be verified? Otherwise having this image on Commons constitutes copyright violation and this discussion is pointless. --Branislav Jovanovic 06:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Delete. No applicable license or verifiable original source information within a week of uploader being notified. —LX (talk, contribs) 00:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Delete - no applicable license or verifiable original source information within nine weeks of uploader being notified. No proof that the photographer died within 14 years of taking the photo (that is, more than 70 years ago).   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 17:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Deleted. It has not been established that the image has fallen in Public Domain. Samulili 17:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)