Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Padaungfrauen mit schwerenMessingringen umHals undBeine.jpg

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Image:Padaungfrauen_mit_schwerenMessingringen_umHals_undBeine.jpg

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PD-Old does not apply, Georg Buschan died in 1942. Rotkraut 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additional infos: According to the description page the image was taken from the book Die Sitten der Völker by Dr. Georg Buschan. This book appeared in 1910. Georg Buschan died in 1942. See for instance [1]. So if the image was taken by Georg Buschan himself, it will enter into PD at January 1rst 2013. Btw. PD-Art is wrong in any case, PD-Old would be appropriate if the author would have died more then 70 years ago. --Rotkraut 15:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Book from before 1925 is PD in USA where wikimedia have home. All images from Die Sitten der Völker is also printed in English books, from before 1925. Have you any knowledge about copyright or pay for copyright ever? If yes also for German images from before 1945? The German state is a union, by only the name and language common by the earlier German states. haabet 18:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
It may be PD in the US, but it is copyrighted in Germany, the country of the first publication, and as a result is also copyrighted in most countries in the world. --Rotkraut 23:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Copyright is law in USA and after this law is all images printed before 1925 PD, in USA, and the rest of the world is unimportant because Commons is in USA.
Germany is a new state from 1945 and have no Copyright, but have artists privilege, on art work created of the artist. The photographer have/had the artists privilege of a photo, and a artist of whole book. But some photo is not a whole book. And if the successors or a artist still claim about money your can delete, and that is the end. The judicial system of USA is sick. A great part of your production go up in justice and insurance against proceedings. But remaining is more rational. Georg Buschan dead without intestate successor and print before the law of the artists privilege. Both cause give PD haabet 00:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
A gallery from Die Sitten der Völker, only a selection. Many had discuss the copyright but every time the image had survive. haabet 08:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete There's no photographer given for this image, so indeed we have no way of knowing whether the copyright on this image has really expired. (It's unclear whether Buschan was the photographer. Note that the copyright, whoever holds or held it, runs until 70 years after the photographer's death. So, if Buschan did not take the photo, his year of death is irrelevant.) I also don't understand why we would need this image given that we have e.g. Image:Kayan woman with neck rings.jpg. Lupo 21:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Just a stupid question: were these images taken in either Malaysia or Indonesia, or is German law the relevant code to resort to given the place of publication? Indonesian law seems to be relatively lax regarding photographs. {{PD-IDOld-Art30}} Valentinian (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: These images are absolutely PD in the U.S. If these images were on the English Wikipedia, we would keep them and tag them {{PD-US}}. But on Commons, our standard is usually that the images must be PD in their country of origin. If these images were first published in Malaysia, then we can keep them, since Malaysia honors copyright for 50 years after the creator's death. But if they were first published in Germany, we can't. Quadell (talk) 12:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • And according to this, the first edition of the book was published in "Stuttgart-Berlin-Leipzig", which is Germany. Germany (retroactively) honors copyright for life+70, so it's copyrighted in it's country of origin. Quadell (talk) 12:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Stuttgart, Berlin and Leipzig", is to day the Federal Republic of Germany. And the Federal Republic of Germany is from 1957. All laws before 1957 is canceled. All new laws start from the date of carry of the new laws.haabet 15:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
No, that's not true. Copyright held by organizations before 1957 are still in effect now. As a signitory to the Berne Convention, Germany retroactively applied "life plus 70" to all works created by residents of the Third Reich, DDR, and BRD. Quadell (talk) 16:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Image is copyrighted and non-free. It will be in the public domain worldwide on January 1, 2013. Quadell (talk) 18:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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