Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Minitall.jpg

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Image:Minitall.jpg

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BjornSocialist Republic isn't a recognized state and can't make it's own copyright laws. Rocket000 02:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not delete. How very stupid to disqualify the picture on such grounds. Of course it's PD anyway.

  • Question: Ok, how about this: We delete the license and tag it with {{nld}}. In 7 days if the author hasn't replaced it with a proper license - it will get automatically deleted - if they have - then it will stay. We can't just assume that {{pd}} will be acceptable. --ShakataGaNai Talk 15:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • we can't assume? We can! If somebody says: "public domain in southern Sweden" it means public domain: in southern Sweden, in whole Sweden, in European Union and whole world. Let we do not play stupid games. Julo 16:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, we can not legally "assume" which license a user would want. There are no "stupid games" going on here, just a problem with an image because someone wanted to use a non-standard license to a country that doesn't exist. I'm sorry, but this isn't PD in "southern Sweden" this is PD in the "BjornSocialist Republic". Which first off, doesn't exist. And second off, even if it did - we don't legally recognize them as a country and there for don't recognize their laws. So, once more I'll put out the offer to remove the license template and mark it {{nld}} and see if the author will replace it with something legal in the next 7 days. Either that or we delete the image as copyvio. I'm sorry if this isn't what you want - but at least there is an option to keep it. --ShakataGaNai Talk 16:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the government of the BjornSocialist Republic I hereby inform that the copyright status is that the pictures is in the public domain in the entire world. That is the conditions within the Republic. The author(s) has accepted this, and it is thus valid. We didn't think Wikipedia, governed by the principles of NPOV, would discriminate against people wanting to license their work with a different PD-tag. PD is PD, even if the Republic is not recognized./republic@thebjorn.com
That is correct. It is either I or the Vice President who has taken the pictures (probably I). I do not see the point in removing them. They are PD. But if Wikimedia Commons wants to take side in a political conflict, then be my guest to delete the pictures./Mannen av börd 17:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, First, Commons is not Wikipedia. Second, while Wikipedia does strive for NPOV - we still have to obey the law. As of this moment, your "Republic" is not recognized as a country, therefor we can't abide by your laws. If you'd like to relicense the pictures as PD of a country that is recognized (like Sweden), please do so. Otherwise I'm going to have to {{nld}} your images and eventually see that they are deleted. --ShakataGaNai Talk 17:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How very stupid. Swedish law does not have a public domain concept, but I can assure you that the pictures are in the public domain, e.g. no one will ever claim copyright./Mannen av börd 17:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as public domain/Mannen av börd 17:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well then feel free to use something else, like GFDL or CC-by-SA, but the PD-by-Nonexistant-republic has got to go. --ShakataGaNai Talk 17:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is the will of the Republic to keep pictures from it public domain. GFDL and CC are to restricted. But if this is the condition, well, delete these PD pictures and make Fascism prevail./Mannen av börd 17:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2 additional notes. #1 - I've marked all your images as NLD and removed the invalid licenses. #2 - This isn't a vote really. So putting up {{keep}} isn't going to make a difference. Copyvio is Copyvio. --ShakataGaNai Talk 17:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Silly person. As I've said already there is no violation of copyright./Mannen av börd 17:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As long as the pictures are free to use they can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, is that not correct? Why then delete totally free-of-use-pictures? It seems stupid to me./Mannen av börd 17:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(Indent reset) If you want the images to be totally free, mark them as {{pd-self}}. Right now they don't have licenses, and the old license was not legally valid. --ShakataGaNai Talk 17:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If this is the Fascist regime here, please delete the pictures. In the name of the Republic, they will always be free!/Mannen av börd 17:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is not fascists here, just people that obey the law. Please feel free to mark your images with the previously noted licenses, otherwise they will be deleted for having no license. --ShakataGaNai Talk 17:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They had a perfectly good license before. Licenses are just for users to see that they can use the pictures freely. A BSR-PD-license has the same purpose./Mannen av börd 18:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No. They didn't. Which is why we are having this tiring and asinine conversation. Commons cannot accept a license based on laws of a country that doesn't exist. If you want to use {{pd-self}} be my guest. Otherwise in 7 days your images will be deleted for lacking a license. --ShakataGaNai Talk 18:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No NPOV here I see./Mannen av börd 18:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let me make a few notes to help you. #1 {{pd}} is obsolete as you used it [1] for Image:Öskar.jpg. Also, Commons hasn't "banned" your images as you like to claim. We simply request that you use a legal license. </sigh>--ShakataGaNai Talk 18:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now another license is used. I hope this is OK, so we can stop having this conversation. If something is deleted for no sane reason, I call it banning./Mannen av börd 18:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. The objection here is that the republic in question does not exist as a legal entity. This, as I see it, is a meaningless objection. If someone has authored the work, then it doesn't matter one whit why they consider their work to be public domain.

For example. Say someone takes a photo of a bean, and says "I place this photo of the bean into the public domain, because I love beans", then it doesn't matter that "I love beans" is an entirely subjective reason for the author making it PD. Likewise, if someone says "I'm making this image public domain, because I freely and willingly self-identify with the BjornSocialist Republic" (which is what's happening here!), then it doesn't matter whether that republic exists as a legal entity. What counts is the intent of the author, and the fact the author is freely releasing it into the public domain, not their personal reasons for doing so.

With that said, it didn't have a proper license tag before. This is fixed, so there's no reason for deletion now. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 18:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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