Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Junkers Ju87.jpg

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Image:Junkers Ju87.jpg

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Less than 70 years old, which has been the theoretical minimum date for the UK since EU copyright harmonisation. This certainly is not a British picture, so even 70 years pma. apply Wikipeder 18:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Yonatan talk 08:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Junkers Ju87.jpg

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deleted file --Chanueting 18:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

please check the Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Junkers Ju87.jpg for details as I hide the old record of the former delete process. Chanueting 18:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kept (I can not find the old discussion) --ALE! ¿…? 12:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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I restored the old deletion request that had been commented out ([1]) --Kam Solusar (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Junkers_Ju87.jpg

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There's no evidence that this is a work created by the United Kingdom Government, so the copyright status is unclear. Has been deleted before, but was uploaded again only a week later. -- Kam Solusar (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is certainly originally not a UK Government photo, as it is a photo taken by German war corrospondents or an official Luftwaffe photographer sometime between 1939 and 1942 (when the Ju 87B-model depicted was used in combat). Maybe this photo was taken to a British archive after the Second World War. However, I just sent an e-mail to the German Bundesarchiv (Federal Archive) inquiring the copyright status of Third Reich official photos. I hope to get an answer, soon. -- Cobatfor 20:05, 10 Aug 2008
So as I know the Bundesachiv, you won't get a clear answer, if you get any answer...--Avron (talk) 14:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Horrido! Well, I called the Bundesarchiv (Federal Archive) in Koblenz and was told the following: If the photo was taken by the official propaganda companies the rights are with the German State. But, you have to find out first, who has the rights on this particular photo. The Bundesarchiv has about 1.5 mio. photos of about 3 mio. taken. The rest went up in flames or is somewhere else. If the copyright lies with the Bundesarchiv, you can use 50 dpi-versions from the Bundesarchiv website, but ONLY, if the pictures are not downloadable for others [2]. Otherwise you have to pay a fee (see "Kostenverordnung" of the Bundesarchiv [3]). If the copyright lies somewhere else (like Ullstein publishers [4]), be warned, as fees for misuse are very high. So, if you search in the photo archive of the Bundesarchiv for this photo, at least I did not find it. I did not find it at the US archives, too. Therefore I would recommend to delete it, as it is not clear where the copyright lies.-- Cobatfor 16:48, 18 Aug 2008 (CEST)

  •  Delete for the reasons given above. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete The Bundesarchiv still lives in the last millenium. --Avron (talk) 16:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete I am named as the original uploader, but that was not this copy of the image but a pure monochrome one. I never claimed it was a UK government image, in AFP it was credited "Courtesy of 'The Aeroplane'". I don't know where the tinted version came from--Keith Edkins (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have been asked for further information. This old version is the version I uploaded. I presume Cobatfor found the tinted version, I have no knowledge of its source. AFP = Aircraft of the Fighting Powers, a series of seven books published 1941-47, "Compiled by H.J. Cooper & O.G. Thetford, Edited by D.A. Russell A.M.I.Mech.E". "The Aeroplane" was a monthly magazine[5].--Keith Edkins (talk) 09:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I found the coloured version of the above picture here [6]. No source is given, but it is certainly the same as originally uploaded by Keith Edkins. As the picture appeared in a UK magazine in the 1940 it seems to me that it was "liberated" by the Allies and is probably in some British archive, state or private. However, this photo was certainly made by a Luftwaffe photographer and the coloured version hints that there are more copies around. Doesn't really help with the copyright question... --Cobatfor 20:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Cirt (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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