Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Baka dancers June 2006.jpg

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Image:Baka_dancers_June_2006.jpg

Hosted by a U.S. Government website, but nothing indicates that is a work by the federal government. Kjetil r 06:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Sure it is. -Nard 02:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Then please provide a link to a website that says so. As an experienced Commons user, you should know that government websites often use copyrighted content. --Kjetil r 07:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The US Embassy in Cameroon routinely photographs embassy events for publicity purposes. They aren't good bookkeepers, and they don't record the photographer's name, but the photos are by embassy employees going about their daily duties. I have met the previous ambassador (R. Niels Marquardt) and attended embassy events while I served in Cameroon as a Peace Corps Volunteer, and I know this is to be a fact. The original of the image up for deletion features the American ambassador as well and is an obvious PR piece by the US government. I don't see what we have to gain by deleting this image. Amcaja 23:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Just so everyone has the full picture: The image comes from this story on the Cameroon embassy's website: http://yaounde.usembassy.gov/text_lobeke_park_visit.html and is here in thumbnail form: http://yaounde.usembassy.gov/ambassador_visits_lobeke_park.html . Amcaja 23:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • COM:LICENSING#Works_by_the_US_Government is clear: “Images on government or government agency websites are not necessarily public domain“ and “This also does not include works commissioned by the US Government, but produced by contractors”. I am going to delete this photo unless we got a source saying that it is a work by a federal employee. I suggest that you write to the embassy and ask. --Kjetil r 09:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
    • So you will ignore consensus and just delete as a lone wolf? Is that how Wiki is supposed to work? I can write them, but they have no email address listed, and mail to and from Cameroon takes several weeks. In the meantime, I fail to see who is harmed by showing the world what a Baka dance looks like. Amcaja 00:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Policy is more important than consensus. For example, If consensus was that we should keep some images by Andy Warhol (obviously against policy), I would still delete them.
      • The site is managed by the Department of State, perhaps you could email them directly? --Kjetil r 08:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
        • No, consensus must always trump policy. That's why we have forums such as this one. Blind adherence to policy helps no one and hurts the Foundation's mission to spread knowledge.
        • That said, I've contacted the Peace Corps director in Cameroon to see if you can get me a contact email for someone at the embassy. He's forwarded along my request, so hopefully we'll have some more information soon. Incidentally, he supports my contention that the images are PD, but I can understand wanting to hear from the embassy directly. Amcaja 02:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• OK, I now have email confirmation from the embassy that the photo (and all photos from their site) are in the public domain. How should I handle this? Should I copy and paste the email into the image description page? Amcaja 12:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Forward the email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org; I or some other OTRS volunteer will then fix the rest. Thank you for your effort. --Kjetil r 15:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Done! Amcaja 04:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Kept and tagged with {{PermissionOTRS}}. --Kjetil r 10:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)