Commons:Deletion requests/Mac Screenshots

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Mac screenshots

DR emerged from Commons:Deletion requests/File:Adobe PS - save jpeg dialog.png

Those Mac Screenshots contain at least one of the following elements which could be considered a copyvio per com:TOO. This highly controversial matter needs a wider discussion than previous DRs which ended up being inconsistently closed as kept/deleted (two examples may not be representative). Though other aspects were relevant in previous DRs as well, we need a guideline which screenshots of non-free operating systems can be kept based on com:TOO and com:DM.

This DR only focuses on very basic elements of modern operating systems and not on the actual content of the files (which indeed need a case-by-case discussion)!

Relevant elements (due to 3D-effects, gradient, shadow/light-filters):

Minimize and Close buttons
Scrollbar
OK/Cancel button
Checkbox/Radiobox

Affected files containing at least one of the relevant elements:

McZusatz (talk) 10:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

IMO COM:DM is applicable to a good number of these. However, I don't think a mass DR can be used to meaningfully resolve any potential copyright issues here, given the vast degree of dissimilarity between these images -FASTILY 10:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The actual content of most (if not all) of those screenshots is free due to the license of the software. Thus, the elements of the unfree operating system is a common problem to all of them and a mass request is actually the best way to solve this issue. --McZusatz (talk) 11:00, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Fastily. While there may be individual images,icons, and text that require deletion, I see nothing common to these images that has a copyright. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In our time, a simply gradient or a shade or shine, IMHO, has no original authorship. Anyway they are many free buttons like this. Must not have a copyright or a level of creative a significant difference⁇ PS: Copyright infringement means "made into a very similar work", see also w:Lotus Dev. Corp. v. Borland Int'l, Inc.#Circuit Court case "Since the buttons are essential to operating …, their layout cannot be copyrighted.". → User: Perhelion 11:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Even if one of the elements fails due to com:TOO they can still safely be considered de minimis not only because the main subject of the screenshot clearly is not an element of the UI but also because the element only takes up a small, insignificant part of the image. --McZusatz (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Specifically, File:Mac OS X hello world dialog.png must not be deleted because it is an illustration for a book on wikibooks.org about AppleScript programming. It shows the output of running an example script, a common practice in programming texts. --Lance E Sloan (talk) 13:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment When/if kept these images need to be tagged for clarity for future users. Perhaps use a relevant template on all the pages or create one specific to the "Files on Mac" situation? Notice that "Files on Mac" is not even a section heading atCommons:Screenshots, but Microsoft files are addressed at Commons:Screenshots#Microsoft products. I hope this DR may lead to changes in the guidelines and/or policy pages to make it easier for future users/admins. I would also request that closing admin go through the images for missing sources, missing licenses, descriptions which do not describe the software and so on, so the images do not get dumped back into the problem categories and risk coming up for DR again. Thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, or move some images to the English Wikipedia. -Mardus (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because nearly all are used in non English projects⁈ (PS: I see the best way to vandalize persistent through entire Wikimedia project is to move a image to Commons… often nobody move/restore them back… for sure. Keep working.) → User: Perhelion 17:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, because the English Wikipedia allows files under a Fair Use provision of the U.S. copyright law, and a similar provision is also in the Australian copyright law. Most other countries don't have that. That's why some of these files can be moved to the English Wikipedia.

That nearly all are used in non-English projects means that they have to be put into disuse and replaced with similar images, or that said images must be retouched in order to better follow policy. -Mardus (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep most of these items, Delete File:Adobe PS - save jpeg dialog.png. Apparently, McZusatz misinterpreted my nomination for "Adobe PS - save jpeg dialog.png". That dialog box belongs to a non-free computer program, hence they layout is copyright protected (c.f. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Windows 8 Taskbar.PNG) but most of these items are free and open-source screenshots, hence their layout is free and the matter of OS X control is rendered de minimis. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, the reason for deletion in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Windows 8 Taskbar.PNG states that there were "many entities [failing] PD-simple" and obviously de minimis can not apply due to the icons being the main aspect of the screenshot. --McZusatz (talk) 09:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True. What do you mean?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I think these elements are under the threshold of originality. --Pierre Rudloff (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kept . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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