Commons:Deletion requests/File:Watertown FBI raid - agent close up.jpg
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This image includes the identifiable face of federal agent without his consent. The agent is on private property. There is a possible personal safety issue as it involves a terrorism arrest and the perpetrator was connected to other terrorists over the Internet. Holdek (talk) 11:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep. I'm the photographer of this work. After reviewing Commons:Photographs of identifiable people, here's my take:
- I don't think it's relevant that the agent was standing on private property. From the Commons guideline:
- A private place is somewhere the subject has a reasonable expectation of privacy and a public place is somewhere where the subject has no such expectation. The terms are unrelated to whether the land is privately or publicly owned. For example, a tent on a beach is a private place on public land and a concert is a public place on private property. A place may be publicly accessible but still retain an expectation of privacy concerning photography, for example a hospital ward during visiting hours. Whether the place is private or not may also depend on the situation at the time: for example that same hospital ward would have been a public place during a tour before it opens.
- That morning, the local NPR station reported the raid on the Watertown property, giving the location. When I arrived, there were several news trucks and reporters on the scene, hundreds of onlookers and several other photographers. So under the circumstances, I don't think that the agents working the scene had a reasonable expectation of privacy.
- The suggestion here seems to be that there is a potential safety issue because of the terrorism-related nature of the incident. This is a very interesting objection. I cannot find any security exceptions for law enforcement officers in the Commons guidelines. Are there any? Loosely speaking, I don't think there's any reason to assume that there's a security issue here; I spent about 30-40 minutes that morning walking around the crime scene, taking pictures of the house, the tape, FBI agents and local police officers, as did other freelance and press photographers on the scene, and I was not approached and did not see anyone else approached to ask that we not take pictures of the agents. So I don't see that it makes sense for Wikimedia to assume that there is an issue. But I'm interested in hearing others' feedback. Tim Pierce (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept: . . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
