Commons:Deletion requests/File:Verloving Wilhelmina Hendrik.jpg
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According to the website from where this picture was taken http://www.anp-archief.nl/search.pp?page=1&ShowPicture=3228891&pos=1 "all rights have been reserved"
Click on "Auteursrechten", and a window appears saying "Copyright De auteursrechten op alle werken (tekst, afbeelding en audio-files) die toegankelijk zijn gemaakt via de website van ANP Historisch Archief berusten bij of worden beheerd door ANP Historisch Archief. Alle auteursrechten en databankrechten op de inhoud van deze website worden uitdrukkelijk voorbehouden", meaning that all copyrights have been reserved explicitely JdH (talk) 19:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Keep as it's impossible to determine actual author it's hard to say for sure, but most likely photo in public domain. For license maybe it would be better to change it to {{Anonymous-EU}} --Justass (talk) 19:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- {{Anonymous-EU}} does not apply since copyright owner is known: the ANP Historisch Archief JdH (talk) 19:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Original author - person who pressed the button is unknown :) We only know copyright claims from ANP Historisch Archief, but it doesn't matter if image is in public domain --Justass (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- The photographer was most likely an employee of the ANP (=Dutch news agency), and therefore copyrights resides with them JdH (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Original author - person who pressed the button is unknown :) We only know copyright claims from ANP Historisch Archief, but it doesn't matter if image is in public domain --Justass (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- {{Anonymous-EU}} does not apply since copyright owner is known: the ANP Historisch Archief JdH (talk) 19:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Exactly, and then Article 38 of the Dutch copyright law is in effect: "1. The copyright in a work of which the author has not been indicated or has not been indicated in such a way that his identity is beyond doubt shall expire 70 years after 1 January of the year following that in which the work was first lawfully communicated to the public. 2. The same shall apply to works of which a public institution, association, foundation or company is deemed the author, unless the natural person who created the work is indicated as the author on or in copies of the work which have been communicated to the public." Hence 1900 + 70 = public domain. Tekstman (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have proof that the photographer wasn't mentioned when the picture was first published? Did you write to the ANP to ask them? Or do you have a copy of the original publication? JdH (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- I found the original source (ANP is just a distributor) and changed the license accordingly. See the "credits"-section. "Fotograaf onbekend" is Dutch for "photographer unknown". Tekstman (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- Good try, but it doesn't work; all Spaarnestad says is that they have the picture in their collection, but they don't know where it came from. JdH (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- That's not true. They specify the collection as collectie Spaarnestad, that is "Fotoarchief...van de voormalige rooms-katholieke Drukkerij en Uitgeverij De Spaarnestad". Spaarnestadphoto bought a lot of collections in the pass of time and "Spaarnestad" is their root collection. This is the original source and they always state the photographer if known. Tekstman (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- The proper thing to do is write them and ask them what they know about copyrights JdH (talk) 10:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I doubt their expertise (and of the National Archives with which they have a joint venture) not one bit. Tekstman (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Good try, but it doesn't work; all Spaarnestad says is that they have the picture in their collection, but they don't know where it came from. JdH (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- I found the original source (ANP is just a distributor) and changed the license accordingly. See the "credits"-section. "Fotograaf onbekend" is Dutch for "photographer unknown". Tekstman (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have proof that the photographer wasn't mentioned when the picture was first published? Did you write to the ANP to ask them? Or do you have a copy of the original publication? JdH (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
