Commons:Deletion requests/File:Venera 9 - Venera 10 - venera9-10.jpg

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File:Venera_9_-_Venera_10_-_venera9-10.jpg

This is no NASA material. Thus is cannot be published under a NASA licence. "Venera 9" and "Venera 10" were Soviet Space probes. High Contrast (talk) 01:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Credit is given to NASA at several sources because the NSSDC is currently the organization that holds the images. Please read the NSSDC Gallery Use Policy --Xession (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Copied from High Contrast User Talk Page --Xession (talk) 02:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Be advised that I have provided permission links for all of these images. Please read it before submitting the deletion request! NSSDC Gallery Use Policy "All of the images presented on NSSDC's Photo Gallery are in the public domain. As such, they may be used for any purpose. NSSDC does ask, however, that you acknowledge NASA and the NSSDC as the supplier of the data. In addition, where the source of the image (by project or as a specific person) is credited in the text, you should also acknowledge that, too. In addition, NASA further requires that NASA images cannot be used to imply endorsement by NASA." Clearly all of these images come from this source and clearly they are in the public domain. Please remove the deletion request promptly. --Xession (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Clearly all of these images come from the Soviet Union. The NASA cannot put them in the public domain. --High Contrast (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Clearly you did not read the NSSDC Gallery Use Policy which does not say that only NASA material is covered. It says all. Please remove the requests. The licenses could be changed to 'Copyrighted, but may be used for any purpose, including commercially.' However, that isn't exactly factual nor does it follow the image use policy of the NSSDC.--Xession (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Clearly you did not understand what the problem is: This notice is not complete - PD-NASA applies only for NASA images, for others not. And clearly you did not read the licence template that is used by you consecutively. Do this, think about it and stop uploading copyright violations. Those DR won't get removed. --High Contrast (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Obviously you do not understand that the policy covers 'everything' at the NSSDC gallery as it states explicitly. PD-NASA does apply only to NASA images and I understand that fully. However, the images are not in violation of copyright and are currently held by the NSSDC for preservation. There is no option at Wikimedia for 'NASA Held' or anything similar. What other licensing option would you recommend? As I stated, 'Copyrighted, but may be used for any purpose, including commercially' is an option. Would this appease you? Lastly, if you are certain that these are in fact violations of copyrighted material, I challenge you to prove this as you are in the affirmative on this debate and under the burden of proof.--Xession (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC) You should argue at the deletion debates. High Contrast wrote down his concerns there. --Martin H. (talk) 01:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

 Comment I'd wish to keep those images. Although other DR with the same file was discussed here (for example). Xession, you seem to be dedicated contributer. So, to get final clarification, you could write an email to http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov and ask if this public domain licence applies to the Venera-images, too. Maybe an error occured and non-NASA-files are not included - as they are normally. Tell us the feedback and if it is positive, we'll store that mail here and the images will be kept for all time. I think this is the best way to solve this issue. --High Contrast (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

 Comment I've received a response from Dr. Edwin V. Bell, who is currently the curator of the NSSDC Photo Gallery. Below is a transcript of our interaction:

Transcript between User:Xession (hereby known as Zachary L. Doyle) and Dr. Edwin V. Bell on January 6, 2011

Mr. Doyle --- These images were scanned from data that is currently archived at the NSSDC. All data that is not archived as proprietary data (data for which special conditions exist) at NSSDC is, by definition, in the public domain. These images were obtained by the NSSDC during the Soviet era as a data exchange (such exchanges between different space agencies still occur) with the intent of making the data available to interested parties (science researchers, general public, professional press). These images are not proprietary (i.e., no special conditions were specified when the images were provided to NSSDC). We have tried to carefully avoid putting copyrighted information on our site or to do so only with the permission of the copyright holder and with proper credit. There are some images available from the NSSDC web site (such as in the photo gallery) that are not part of the archived data here or for which copyrights are noted or possible, but these are not, to my knowledge, among them. Ed Bell On 2011-01-06 1:13 PM, Zachary Doyle wrote: Hello Dr. Bell, I have a question regarding the use status of a few images in the NSSDC photo gallery. The Venera images (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html#surface) are of course from the USSR and I was unsure if your image use policy, (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-faq.html#use) which states that all images are in the public domain, in fact covered the use of these images from the USSR as well. This is to settle a dispute (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Venera_9_-_Venera_10_-_venera9-10.jpg) at Wikimedia Commons. Any help is appreciated. Thank you, Zachary L. Doyle -- Dr. Edwin V. Bell, II National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC) Voice: +1-301-286-1187 Mail: Mail Code 690.1 Fax: +1-301-286-1635 NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Email: ed.bell@nasa.gov Greenbelt, MD 20771

In accordance to his remarks, the images from Venera including all other images on the NSSDC that are not explicitly labeled as copyrighted works, are within the public domain. Again, I am aware that PD-NASA isn't exactly the most accurate licensing label for these images as they were acquired by Soviet spacecraft. However, there seems to be no other more accurate label as they do come from NASA and are in the public domain as a result. --Xession (talk) 19:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Kept. Final evidence for these files being in the public domain has been brought by Email from the curator of the related NASA image gallery => OTRS-permission. --High Contrast (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)