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File:Torkild Strandberg Questonnaire.JPG

Letters from other people are not "own work" of uploader. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Ellin ! The photography of several different questionnaires are taken by me. Obviously. But they are not letters , but as you say questionnaires from what's in Sweden is known as "a public person". Swedish law permitts anyone to read even the Statsministerns (Prime Minister's) e-mail and all kind of public protocols. As well as all political propaganda from any political party.

The issue was not a questionnaire or it's content, but the fact that Torkild Strandberg at the same time indisputable gives different questionnaires with different content to different people - one for me, another for my old parents (My dear old dad passed though sadly away last summer) a third kind for what ever remains of the so called "arbetarklassen" ("the Labour class") etc. And do you know Torkild Strandberg is a local politican , and a kind of Mayor in Landskrona, Scania, Sweden ?

(Mayor translates into "Borgmästare" in Swedish, but since around 1970 doesn't this title exist anylonger. Instead he is "Kommunalråd" ("Municipality advisor") and leader of the Landskrona "kommunstyrelse" ("Head of the Landskrona Municipality Board"). He is thereby without any doubts a "public person", and the highest local politican in Landskrona (a 35.000 town with some minor agricultural areas and villages, and perhaps 45.000 in the municipality). And his political work is indeed including whatever that may be is (unless it's stamped as Secret or Top Secret, which is extremely rare below minister level). The questionnaires are in the highest possible degree , political ! (If it was letter outside the boundary of his political duties, like a time to go to his dentist letter, would it naturally have been different).

The photo in question is a proof of this quite dubious strategy that he makes in good time before the local elections. It was my only intention to openly show this political strategy of his. Nothing else ! And I have the Swedish law on my side in this case. It can't help thinking it's wrong to use one letter and questionnaire for elderly people, an other for people like me - and I frankly don't know how many versions he has used.

I must ask, Please. Have you - or anyone else at Wikimedia - been approached by people from the Swedish political party called Folkpartiet or Folkpartiet Liberalerna or Liberalerna by the way ? (this party has changed name twice during resent years). How else did this come to your desk, so to speak ? And when?

And lastly, do I want to point out, that the photo is not at all about the Questionnaires as such - but of a dubious political strategy of sending different messages to different people, without the receivers being aware of this. If you don't agree with me, the I could make most of the text dizzy to read, keeping just sufficient parts clear. So it becommes obvious they are not the same. I don't think I have used the image on English Wiki. I might find it, but just in case I don't , could you possibly give me a link, please ?

I appreciate all of you who keep Wikipedia free from external troubles. And it's better to be careful, I realise that as well. But this photo isn't agaisnt any Swedish laws. Thanks Boeing720 (talk) 04:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I also can see that Swedish Wiki no longer uses this photography, and I presume that's due to some member of Folkpartiet or Folkpartiet Liberalerna or Liberalerna

perhaps they want to ensure that the methods Torkild Strandberg has used in the past, again can be used. There is now less than 18 months to next election (In Sweden are local elections, regional elections and the parliamentary elections all held the same day, usually the third Sunday every fourth year. Strange perhaps, but that's the way it has been ever since 1970. (but prior to the 1994 elections, was the elections held every third year - and the last election to the old two-chamber parliament was held in 1968) All the best Boeing720 (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

And by the way - what initially may look as a "hand-written" private letter is in fact just made to look that way. But it is indeed a printed letter for people above a certain age, or a postal zip-code area with high average age. It's the version my old mum and dad got. Boeing720 (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Then please explain how this got uploaded as own work? Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:37, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

As I wrote, I took a photography - not of a specific work of any other - but of an assembly of questionnaires. The shot was taken by me. I may have misunderstood some rule, but I don't (currently) see who else's work this photo is. And there'´s no letter on the picture. THe intention was never to present the Questionnaires of someone else, but to show that the same public person & "Mayor" attempts to fool voters with different "Questionnaires" - based on the age of the voters. A proof. As I wrote - only a part of the papers needs to be visible. I once took a shot of six old Swedish beer cans (from the 1970's). Of which one happened to have "an artistic label" on it. The same question arose then, but as I pointed out, "it's a picture of six beer cans" (photographed by me) , was sufficient. If I stick a camera up in the face of another person, international laws gives me the copyright. To photo an assembly of political propaganda, surely must be the same. You never answered any of my questions, by the way. Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 03:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Boeing720. "Other stuff exists" is not a valid argument here, also, the beer can is irrelevant and sticking a camera in someone's face is not what this is about. What is here are photographic copies of documents that you didn't write, claimed as 'own work' without any indication that these works are free of copyright. A foreign work has to be in the public domain in both the United States (where Commons servers are located) and its source country to be stored on Commons. I do not see that you have provided any information why this is out of copyright in Sweden. To answer everything above which has a question mark on it:

(a) And do you know Torkild Strandberg is a local politican , and a kind of Mayor in Landskrona, Scania, Sweden ?

-The only thing I know about Torkild Strandberg is listed in en:wiki at Torkild Strandberg and it is very thin on facts and has no references.

(b) Have you - or anyone else at Wikimedia - been approached by people from the Swedish political party called Folkpartiet or Folkpartiet Liberalerna or Liberalerna by the way ?

-I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I have never met any Swedish politicians nor been contacted by them even after reading "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".

(c)How else did this come to your desk, so to speak ?

-Because the image was uncategorized it came up in uncategorized review.

(d)And when?

-About 3 minutes before I put the nomination on it.

(e) I might find it, but just in case I don't , could you possibly give me a link, please ?

-There is no wiki link to this image, it is not in use.

If you would be so kind as to stop writing about stuff that doesn't matter, and answer the question of why you think this is out of copyright in both Sweden and the United States, that would be super. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

About (a). I live in Landskrona, Yes ! (see my personal page at Wikipedia). The assembled "questionnaires" are given to me or my parents (as well as to at least several hundreds of people, if not thousands - in various versions). They are NOT privately written letters, but PUBLIC by Swedish law. Torkild Strandberg is the highest local politician in my municipality. This is called "Kommunstyrelsens ordförande" (Chairman of the Municipality Board); the title "Kommunalfullmäktiges ordförande" is (Chairman of the Municipality "Parliament") and is a lower office. If comparing to Government and Parliament, then Torkild Strandberg is head of the Government not the Parliament. I can't explain it better. We have no Mayors in Sweden, but Torkild Strandberg functions LIKE A Mayor. ("kommun" = "municipality", "ordförande" = "chairman". Please see

http://www.landskrona.se/kommun-politik/politik/

I have (a rather long time ago now) uploaded this photograph of some of Torkild Standberg's political "papers". The photo is taken of assembled political material, and I have in red colour prevented Torkild Standberg's home adress to be seen. I find the shot to be public domain, as I granted this at the time of the upload. Papers such as these are public according to Swedish law. And the photo was taken by me, hence "own work" (I realise everything I take a shot of isn't regarded as "own work", but this one is. To my knowledge is the picture not in use anylonger. Sorry for my bad mood. The picture has been at Commons for years by now. Without any previous questions. All the best, and please do as you think must be done. Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 23:02, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Post Scriptum. I have no longer any wishes to contribute to Swedish Wiki. Though for different reasons. My English personal page (I've removed "Landskrona", since it's not very famous. But it's located where I describe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Boeing720

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Deleted: I don't understand why there is such a long discussion of a very obvious case. It does not matter what the three documents are -- their text is copyrighted by its writers and the uploader has no right to freely license it. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC)