Commons:Deletion requests/File:Thurles railway station, April 26, 1961.jpg
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Author wrongly identified as NLI and not O'Dea, uploader was acting in good faith but O'Dea/NLI images have precedent for deletion Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 15:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- comment: As nom. its important to realise that previously I've dealt with O'Dea copyright issues using account Djm-leighpark, however all my current dealings with NLI are as Deirge. On that basis I have made this nomination as Deirge. I hope to dig out the discussions on O'Dea images at some point in the next day or so. I have no question the uploader did not act in anything other than good faith. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 15:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- See also for background history and precedents: -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 15:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep Overly bureaucratic and legalistic interpretation. The NLI is not objecting. O'Dea can't object cause he's dead. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Laurel Lodged While I accept the O'Dea has died in 1992 I personally find your phraseology bordering on disrespectful. I am sure the closer should take into account copyright rights will have passed to heirs etc. My understanding is that in all events copyright will expire at the start of 2063 (1992+70+1) if I am correct. Obviously should a closer choose to keep this then that ought to trigger a review of all O'Dea photographs. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 13:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Overly precious. We have no detail of any heirs of the late O'Dea. Until they come to assert their rights, let us not get into crystal ball gazing about what heirs he might or might not have. The onus is on the heirs to asset their rights, not on us to assume that potential heirs might exist. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Laurel Lodged While I accept the O'Dea has died in 1992 I personally find your phraseology bordering on disrespectful. I am sure the closer should take into account copyright rights will have passed to heirs etc. My understanding is that in all events copyright will expire at the start of 2063 (1992+70+1) if I am correct. Obviously should a closer choose to keep this then that ought to trigger a review of all O'Dea photographs. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 13:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Consistency with the previous deletion decisions. After reading the background information, it is obvious that those people at the NLI have no clue what they are doing. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I would advise people are VERY careful about allegations they are making about living people. The NLI have been and are very accommodating on images that they have made available are are used here. I don't know about the precise details of how O'Dea (or his heirs) donated their legacy and I am very grateful for that. I would like at some point to try and get the situation clarified so the O'Dea images released through Flickr commons are available. I might at some point work out the right person to right contact to get something sorted ... but bad faith and snide comments here won't help. Thankyou. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 20:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- I wish you well in your comms with the NLI, but from our perspective, it is unnecessary. You are putting a task and a burden on yourself that Commons and common sense does not require. The licenses provided may be taken at face value; we need not inquire into anything else. Only proof to the contrary can contradict our reasonable, presumed licenses. The previous deletion decisions, while consistent, were erroneous. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- I fail to be impressed by the pluralis majestatis and associated claims, but would be impressed by a successful overturn of O'Dea photographs at Commons:Undeletion requests. There may be an upcoming battle of the Bray Daly murals and even mosaics, and the pain on O'Dea is minimal to me compared to pain on Casserley and Marshall. Thankyou. -- Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga(a)talk 17:43, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- I wish you well in your comms with the NLI, but from our perspective, it is unnecessary. You are putting a task and a burden on yourself that Commons and common sense does not require. The licenses provided may be taken at face value; we need not inquire into anything else. Only proof to the contrary can contradict our reasonable, presumed licenses. The previous deletion decisions, while consistent, were erroneous. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Deleted: Per nomination and comment. Copyright holder died in 1992 as stated by nominator (and not contested). The image will be in PD 71 years after this year and can be undeleted in 2063. Can be undeleted earlier if permission for publication with a free licence is obtained from the heirs per VRT. --Ellywa (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
