Commons:Deletion requests/File:The 100 Greatest Metal Guitarists - cover for web.jpg
Authors for the photos on the cover are not mentioned, and I doubt the OTRS contains evidence of permission for all of these. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 01:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fae is a member of OTRS, so it would be good to check and see if he didn't approve his own image or had a friend perform a special favor. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is not his own image; someone (likely the author) sent this to permissions, and then Fæ uploaded it. But permission by the book author is not enough. Even if the publisher gave permission, it would need to be very explicit about the rights of the included photos. But some OTRS agents are very easygoing about verification of permission (example). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment OTRS shows a CC-BY-SA license in an e-mail signed by Joel McIver, the author of the book. The e-mail is from a web site that is apparently McIver's, so as best I can tell, the permission is authentic. Pieter's question of whether it is sufficient is certainly valid. When a publisher clears copyrights on photos for a book, usually the licenses cover only use in that book, both in print and electronic versions, as well as in advertising and promotion of the book. A license here goes beyond that. So, if McIver is business savvy and knows all that, then this is probably all right -- he's not going to sub-license something that he doesn't have rights to. But many authors are not business savvy, hence my not taking a position -- too close to call without more input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs)
Kept as this cover which came by email through our address for photo submissions and has been put under a CC-BY-SA-3.0 license by its author. He has clearly stated that he is himself the copyright holder and, in cases like this, that is good enough for us. The genuineness of the email address has been confirmed (and now checked again by me). --AFBorchert (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Renomination #1
I still believe that permission by the publisher should be required for the cover. McIver did not design it, and he did not make the photos that are shown there. According to the copyright notice in the book (Amazon, look inside, click on "copyright"), McIver only owns rights on the text, but there is an explicit notice "Volume copyright © 2008 Outline Press Ltd, all rights reserved" and "no part of this book may be reproduced [...] without permission by the publisher". (my emphasis) Renominating by Jim's suggestion. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 14:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Raising Deletion review immediately after the last one closes, in a discussion where I have been accused of lying and misusing my role as an OTRS volunteer, yet again, seems a strong case for misuse of process intended to blatantly image stalk. Pieter Kuiper, do you not feel this might be seen as a problem? --Fæ (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- No. The problem is your generosity with OTRS tickets. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- I am spending the weekend at at OTRS workshop, which I was part of organizing, with the purpose of training new OTRS agents and discussing future processes and policy with WMF representatives. If you believe you have a case that I am incompetent to do this sort of unpaid voluntary work, I suggest you raise the matter formally rather than making a series of defamatory allegations in deletion requests being raised as part of your image stalking campaign. I suggest you contact an OTRS admin, I'm in the middle of a discussion of OTRS governance, so that seems quite relevant. --Fæ (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- No. The problem is your generosity with OTRS tickets. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Delete I actually suggested to Pieter that he reopen this image, see the talk page. I have no axe to grind with Fae, and I believe that the OTRS e-mail was correctly and honestly reported, but was not sufficient. That is not an issue with Fae's work as an OTRS volunteer, but with the decision above.
I was on the fence the first time around. After Pieter did additional research and determined that the book has two copyrights -- text (McIver) and everything else (Outline Press Ltd), it became clear to me that we decided it incorrectly, because McIver does not own the copyright to the cover and therefore has no right to give a license to Commons. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have written back to Joel McIver asking him to confirm the copyright situation with his publisher, or to provide a free release from the publisher. The email is available on the same OTRS ticket number. --Fæ (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Keep The publisher as well as the author have confirmed the release of this image on Template:OTRS ticket. As Pieter Kuiper has previously accused me of lying as an OTRS volunteer, I suggest another volunteer with access confirms these details so that he can hear this from someone he might trust. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 10:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep I congratulate Fae on persistence. The first response from the publisher reads, in part:
- "This is to confirm that you have our permission to use the cover image for 100 Metal Guitarists on the Wikipedia page for the book."
- That is, of course, not sufficient. Fae wrote back:
- "Could you confirm that as well as permission for Wikipedia, you support the release on a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license as can be seen on the link above?"
- And the publisher responded:
- "Yes, that's fine."
- In both cases the e-mail came from an address at the publisher's domain.
- I can close this, but it might be better if one of our colleague's did. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Kept I was reluctant to close this in January because I was heavily involved in the discussion, but it's been more than two months with no further comment. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 10:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
