Commons:Deletion requests/File:TheGreatRootBear.JPG
No freedom of panorama in Indonesia. Kelly (talk) 14:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Panorama? What the HECK are you talking about? This is a picture of a outdoor commercial sculpture which was framed by a photographer (i.e. me). The image involved matching lighting & framing within a specific environment. So, based on this flawed logic, all the images on the A&W page should be deleted. Additionally, you have been granted status as a reviewer for reviewing images uploaded from flickr. THIS IMAGE was NOT from Flickr. Chitrapa
- The sculpture is almost certainly under copyright, so although the photo of it is under a free license, the sculpture itself is not. See here. In some countries, freedom of panorama would allow us to still have a free image of the artwork, but Indonesia is not one of them. Kelly (talk) 17:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I just read ALL the posted panorama links along with Indonesia's copyright laws. Of interest was Article 23: "Unless agreed otherwise between the Copyright Holder and the Owner of a creative work in the form of a photograph, painting, drawing, architecture, sculpture and/or other artworks, the owner shall be entitled to without the consent of the Copyright Holder to display the work in a public exhibition..."
This photograph was taken in a public park in a public location. Thus, IF I receive permission from A&W Canada, the Indonesia copyright issue will become a mute point. It's the weekend, so please give me a few days to contact the company.
Once again, every product logo on a building (or in a public space) is an individual work of art. Based on this logic, every image which contains any & all commercial signs should be deleted from Wikipedia. For example, the A&W logo itself is in the same category as the A&W Great Root Bear Bear. Both designs represent product branding. v/r
- That would depend on whether the inclusion of copyrighted logos, etc, was de minimis. Kelly (talk) 17:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Rimar,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us and to include the links regarding the Great Root Bear in Indonesia. The bear pictured is not the Canadian Great Root Bear, and therefore does not infringe on the Canadian copyrights or trademarks. Again, thank you for writing to us.
Regards,
Katherine Fraser
Marketing Department
kfraser@aw.ca
Evidently, the photograph represents an Indonesia version (located in a public space) of the original Canadian A&W Great Root Bear which used the company's logo. Additionally, based on the company's response, it has ZERO problems w/ the individual (who created this marketing sculpture) using the company's product logo to sell its Root BEER. v/r Peter Rimar chitrapa
PS ~ I sent the LINKS to all the Wikipedia pages (i.e. to include this one) to the company.
- Question - who owns the copyright to the artwork? Kelly (talk) 03:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Now you're just being hard headed. It appears it's more important for you to WIN than do the right thing and change the status of this photo. Anyhow, the ball is in your court for you to actually PROVE that this photo needs to be deleted. Once again, this sculpture was created to MARKET a specific product (i.e. Root Beer). A&W Canadian, which was the corporation which expanded into the Indonesian fast food market, has ZERO problems w/ the picture OR the use of its logo on the sculpture itself. A&W owns its logo. Additionally, it's NOT an Andy Warhol genre work of ART. It's simple product marketing & branding. Believe it or not, there's a good REASON why companies install giant BILLBOARDS in place like New York's Timesquare & Tokyo's Ginza. Indeed, this specific photo is an example of the Readymade (objet trouvé) gengre of photography. v/r Peter Rimar chitrapa
Deleted: It is up to the uploader to prove that an image is free for use on Commons, not the other way around. Without a license from the sculptor, this cannot be kept here. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:52, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey James Woodward ~ Are you a lawyer? IT was NOT a WORK of ART. Period. v/r Peter
