Commons:Deletion requests/File:Steiff Jocko.JPG

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File:Steiff Jocko.JPG

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Per COM:TOYS, there would need to be evidence that the copyright for this design has expired. Fæ (talk) 14:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The original Jocko was designed/created in 1909 so this is a 1909 design - which would be over 100 years old now - and has been produced along these lines for quite a long period of time. We don't know the exact date of this particular model (Steiff have been making them quite a while) but we're basically looking at a design that is over 100 years old and continues to be produced along the same lines. Even if it is a later model, it is basically an exact replica of the 1909 model. The difficulty is that many of the sources online are unhelpful snippets from Google Books or "non-reliable sources" such as this blog by a Steiff employee/historian/expert. I have searched quite a few German and other patent databases and cannot find this particular model in there. It is clear, though, that it is a historic design and from what I can see in the picture and comparing it to others I've found online, it appears to be an older one based on the signs of age and wear. When would the German patent (if there was one taken out in 1909) have expired? Mabalu (talk) 10:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    My understanding of German IP law is that the designer/artist can not transfer the author/artist rights to the company, refer to CRT. If the creator is "knowable" through some more research, then per PRP, we cannot presume that the artist is unknown or anonymous. So though Jocko is now 107 years old, the copyright period is <date of death of the creator> + 70 years, so copyright may or may not apply from what we know at the moment. We might be able to apply {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} if after reasonable research it looks as though no records are available.
If there is a specific catalogue or book that you think would have the information, it may be worth putting a note on the Village Pump or the German Wikipedia VP asking for help. --Fæ (talk) 12:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if the designers of the Steiff toys are generally credited. Margarete Steiff did design a lot of the first Steiff toys, but she died in 1909 so probably didn't design Jocko. Richard Steiff, who was also a designer for the company, and is best known as the creator in 1902 of the teddy bear (and also designed many other toys for the company), is a very credible candidate for having designed Jocko. According to the Steiff website here he designed a lot of the animal toys at this time. He died in 1939, so definitely over 70 years ago. Mabalu (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This looks like a good keep rationale, so long as it remains the case that there are no records of who designed Jocko that might be researched. {{PD-old-auto|deathyear=1939}} may be suitable for a license. --Fæ (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per discussion. --Jcb (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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