Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stamp of Israel - King David by Marc Chagall.jpg
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https://www.marcchagall.net/king-david.jsp. Copyrighted work by Marc Chagall (d. 1985), permission of his heirs needed via COM:OTRS. Patrick Rogel (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- This is a stamp issued by the State of Israel, and I am sure that the State of Israel had the permission of Marc Chagall to publish his work on the stamp. The stamp is not copyrighted anymore, so I believe there is no copyright problem and no need to get the permission of Chagall's heirs. דוד שי (talk) 10:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @דוד שי: Very likely that they got his permission but you haven't for publishing it here. Besides the 1962 painting stamp is derived from is still copyrighted. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 10:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- The stamp is not copyrighted - it is an Israeli stamp from 1969, and in Israel copyright on stamps (and other works of the State) purges after 50 years. דוד שי (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @דוד שי: Stamp is a derivative work of a copyrighted work so it remains copyrighted too. Besides it's a work made in France by a French citizen so it falls under French law, not Israelian one. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- As I said and you agreed, it is very likely that the Israeli post got Chagall's permission, so French law is not relevant. דוד שי (talk) 15:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Permission "to use" is not the same as putting it on a Creative Commons license. CC doesn't exists back in 1969 so painter has never agreed to a CC license; only his heirs may grant such a license, neither the State of Israel, neither France or you. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- The painter did not have to agree to CC license, he just had to agree to put his work on a stamp, what gives the right to the stamp issuer to use the stamp and to publish the stamp. That include the right to make the stamp PD after 50 years. דוד שי (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Permission "to use" is not the same as putting it on a Creative Commons license. CC doesn't exists back in 1969 so painter has never agreed to a CC license; only his heirs may grant such a license, neither the State of Israel, neither France or you. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- As I said and you agreed, it is very likely that the Israeli post got Chagall's permission, so French law is not relevant. דוד שי (talk) 15:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @דוד שי: Stamp is a derivative work of a copyrighted work so it remains copyrighted too. Besides it's a work made in France by a French citizen so it falls under French law, not Israelian one. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- The stamp is not copyrighted - it is an Israeli stamp from 1969, and in Israel copyright on stamps (and other works of the State) purges after 50 years. דוד שי (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @דוד שי: Very likely that they got his permission but you haven't for publishing it here. Besides the 1962 painting stamp is derived from is still copyrighted. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 10:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Kept: Patrick Rogel. We had discussions about stamps of Israel and the outcome is in our policy pages Commons:Stamps/Public domain#Israel: "... The Israeli copyright statute from 2007 determines that the State's copyrights expire on 1 January of the 51st year after the creation of the work. Hence, only stamps created 50 or more years ago are in the public domain."
דוד שי, the correct license template in the case of the Israeli stamps would be {{PD-IsraelGov}} as template {{PD-Israel}} it's only for photographs. -- Geagea (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
