Commons:Deletion requests/File:Soccer City in Johannesburg.jpg
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No FoP in South Africa. 84.61.165.65 20:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Keep. What is it? This image was uploaded on Flickr under Creative Commons Share Alike license What´s the problem?? --Goldorak (talk) 14:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Delete I really don't want to delete this picture, but since there is no Freedom of panorama in South Africa, do we have a choice? Samuell (talk) 05:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Comment. The page Commons:Freedom of panorama talks clearly:
South Africa (...) However, since it does not adequately mention photographs, it is unknown if photographs of artistic works are an infringement or not.
- Then, we should remove from Commons all images of buildings in South Africa? That's impossible. --Goldorak (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- The banner on Category:Buildings in South Africa already states the requirements. Nanonic (talk) 18:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Then, we should remove from Commons all images of buildings in South Africa? That's impossible. --Goldorak (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. Having read [1], I question whether the category should have that tag. Where the law is unclear, we follow American law. WFCforLife (talk) 04:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. SA's commercial laws follow pretty much the UKs. Buildings do have a special status sometimes. In apartheid SAin 1980 there was the National Keypoints legislation which was promulgated for security reasons (power stations etc). The law is pretty obsolete and does not apply to stadiums. Since the stadium is on SAs own webpage & been on 100s of TV programs I reckon the cat is out the bag --196.210.242.99 06:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Paragraph 15(3) of the South African Copyright Act is not unclear at all. It defines FOP for artistic works only for movies and TV broadcasts. Architectural works are defined in paragraph 1 as a subclass of artistic works. Paragraph 13 also doesn't help; the corresponding regulation just is about allowed reproduction by libraries, archives, and for schools. So, no, unfortunately there is no freedom of panorama concerning photos in South Africa. Lupo 20:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Delete User:Lupo is correct. The law is very clear, the only FOP exception in the law, at paragraph 15, is for use in movies and similar works. Elsewhere the law clearly states that movies are not photographs and vice versa. Much as I don't like it, South Africa is in the same category as France and Belgium, where photographs of buildings may not be uploaded to Commons unless they are old or otherwise PD. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 21:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. If the law says the art can't be shared, don't share that in your country 'dura lex, sed lex', but worldwide there are other rules, so then share it with the world, don't share to Sudafrica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.146.238.204 (talk • contribs) 16:17, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, Commons rules require that the license be appropriate in both the USA (where the Commons servers are located) and in the country of origin. So, images of a South African stadium must be clear to use under USA and South African law. If User:189.146.238.204's reasoning applied, we'd locate the Commons servers someplace with very relaxed copyright law and keep everything. We all wish these problems could be put away so easily. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 21:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Delete--No FOP in source country--KTo288 (talk) 12:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
