Commons:Deletion requests/File:San Juan - Apache Mescalero chief.jpg

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File:San Juan - Apache Mescalero chief.jpg

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No source. No information to determine copyright situation. Jcb (talk) 22:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I forget to mention that is a picture before 1923. San Juan left the reserve in 1880--Pierpao.lo (listening) 10:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In what country has this picture been taken? Jcb (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the US. He is an apache a native american leader. They lived in US Indian reserve--Pierpao.lo (listening) 12:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
When was it first published? In the US, the date of first publication counts when it comes to copyright expiration. Jcb (talk) 16:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Given the style of the photograph this is clearly a work before 1923. Please keep. Basvb (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is irrevant. The question is not when was it created. The relevant question is: When was it published? US copyright rules, you know? Jcb (talk) 20:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: The image is pre-1885.

  • If published before 1923, it is PD. That seems most likely.
  • If unpublished until its appearance here then
  • If the author is known, the rule is 70 pma, and 1886 is my cutoff for assuming the author died before 1946, so it is safw to assume that it is PD.
  • If the author is unknown, then the rule is 120 years after creation, which expired at least 10 years ago.
  • If first published after 1923 without notice, or with notice but no required renewal, it is PD.
  • It is only under copyright if it was first published after 1923 (38+ years after creation) with notice and the copyright was renewed if necessary. That seems unlikely beyond a significant doubt.

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:53, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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