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Nonsense map, outside of COM:SCOPE. Ellin Beltz (talk) 08:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Delete, per nom. However, Ellin, please note that «nonsense» is a needlessly aggressive term in this situation. You could have gone for «pertaining to non-notable unpublished alternate history», and/or «misleading»; cp. this. -- Tuválkin ✉ 12:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Comment I'm sorry you find nonsense to be "needlessly aggressive." I use it in the sense defined by both the book title "Nonsense Books of Edward Lear," by Edward Lear which is a delightful compendium of humor and the first known use of limericks in the English language, and sensu stricto as defined by the English language Wikipedia. The latter fails to record a pejorative use of the word writing Nonsense is a communication, via speech, writing, or any other symbolic system, that lacks any coherent meaning. Sometimes in ordinary usage, nonsense is synonymous with absurdity or the ridiculous in the lede of that article. Reading the entire article also fails to find any aggressive use defined to the word. I find it fascinating that so many of the complaints of "being offended by English language words" come from non-native speakers. I would never think to tell someone with native language other than mine how their emotions were based on my understanding of their written language. Perhaps one of your educators introduced bias on this word which only means what the two parts indicate, that it is non-sense, and - being without sense - lacking in educational value. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
- Dear Ellin, thanks for taking time replying to my comment. (Maybe you could format it as a reply and not a new entry?, two colons, not an asterisk?)
- I know what "nonsense" means, even my «fascinating» status as a non-native English speaker allows for that. The synonyms you now offer, "absurd" and "ridiculous", are still «needlessly aggressive» — as this map does not stem from an attempt at comedy, but from the very “non-nonsense” field of fictional alternate History. You could ask any buff of said field (one who’s a native English speaker, just to be sure) what’s with their nonsensical maps and timelines, and you’d probably get a less than warm reaction. That’s what I meant with needless aggressiveness.
- On a side note, I’d reccomend you to try to empathize with the protagonists of the fascinating trend you detect: It would however require you to 1. know a second language fluently, and 2. have to be immersed in a structure where that second language is the only practical means of communication…
- -- Tuválkin ✉ 17:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
- Dear Tuvalkin: Again, I am sorry that you find yourself so offended as to write the foregoing. In schoolyard in American English culture, there is a saying "assumptions make an ass out of u and there's no 'me' in it". Such is the case with your accusations about me, both here and in previous situations. Here, you're assuming that I'm not writing from Good Faith, as defined in Assume Good Faith; that I know no other languages besides English and/or that I have never lived immersed in another culture or cultures; and that I don't know about alternative history fiction. None of these assumptions are correct; but a product of your imagination. Having spent my entire life on the receiving end of both racism and sexism, I prefer not to be bogged down in hate games and the "I'm so o-fen-ded" mode of thinking so prevalent on the Internet. I would appreciate it if you would stop making assumptions about me, accusations about me, and complaining about my use of simple English. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: . . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
