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File:Royal_Monogram_of_King_George_V_of_Great_Britain.svg

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Fictional and thus not useful for an educational purpose. As shown at http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/crowns.htm#cyphers, the original has much curlier lettering and a Tudor crown not a St Edward's crown. DrKiernan (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Link doesn't work, so that's out, and besides, this isn't a reason to delete it. The monogram can easily be fixed and uploaded over. Fry1989 (talk) 03:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
K, the link works now, however my above statement stands. This is SVG, it can be altered easily. We only delete things when they're grossly false. Fry1989 (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If that link doesn't work, there are other examples (of two different ciphers: one GvR and one GRI) here and here. DrKiernan (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this is SVG, and can be corrected. NOT a reason for deletion. Fry1989 (talk) 19:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a vectorized copy taken directly from "A Dictionary of Heraldry" by Stephen Friar. To quote from the book jacket, "Mr. Friar is the Director of the Society of Heraldic Arts and has been a member of the Heraldry Society since the age of twelve. He also runs residential summer schools in heraldry and genealogy at Caundle Wake, deep in the Dorset countryside near Sherborne, where he is chairman of the local heraldry society."

My error was in not crediting the source, which I will rectify. I credited the artist who created the crown, as I chose to use that one, rather than the line drawing of a crown over the original image that is no more than 7 pen strokes. Mr. Friar cites the image as coming from a postage stamp watermark c. 1929. I will also cite that in the credit.

It has been my experience in researching cyphers that there are usually different versions of cyphers, whether "official" or not. I have found 4 or 5 for Queen Victoria alone. This one for George V, having come from a postage stamp watermark produced by His Majesty's government, no doubt is official enough for the government of the United Kingdom to use on official documentation, and that being the case, I would assume that the government has in practice recognized more than one rendition of a royal cypher as officially sanctioned.

I think it would be great if you were to post other examples you find so that we can see the many different variations of these cyphers that have been produced. --Glasshouse 19:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of the watermark. The crown in the watermark is a Tudor Crown. You have replaced that with a St Edward's Crown that is not shown in the original. There are different versions of the cypher, as I have myself shown above when I gave one example of a GvR monogram and one example of a GRI monogram, but all use a Tudor crown. DrKiernan (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the crown to a Tudor crown.--Glasshouse 21:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Kept. DrKiernan (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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