Commons:Deletion requests/File:RopalidiaMarginata Size.JPG
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Copyright violation: The subject of the media is a species of wasp, but to compare it's size, Indian currency is used. Indian currency is work of Indian Government, and it is copyrighted. It would not account for de minimis as it covers significant area of the image, and is used in the media to tell about the size. guns & ROSES 14:28, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Keep Given the coin is so askew and half of its surface is practically unrecognizable because of the brightness/contrast, I wouldn't support such a deletion. It's another question, though, that for non-Indians, who are not familiar with the size of *this* coin, using it as a reference is of not much use. (I'd always prefer using a ruler for reference, rather than another object, especially a local coin). →Spiritia 16:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Comment The coin in this photo can easily recognised. The inclination is not significant enough to make the coin (which is also the subject of this photo). And, about brightness/contrast: the coin can be recognised with ease, despite the brightness/contrast. That is not a good reason to have Indian currencyin the photo which is not in Public Domain.--Canopus Grandiflora 17:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment If the coin is copyrighted, that's a pretty clear copyright violation. Doesn't matter that it's askew. Think if you took a similar photo of a copyrighted painting. Regardless of the angle it would be a copyvio. Conversely, the visible surface of the coin is not essential for this image. It can be replaced with a Gaussian blur, and the resulting image can be kept. - Jmabel ! talk 17:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I am probably violating Wikimedia Commons policies by offering a solution that is more in line with the English Wikipedia - but presumably a derivative of a copyright violation is also a violation (more so when this image is deleted)- File:Ropalidia rufoplagiata scalemarked.jpg Shyamal L. (talk) 03:58, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Thats a solution I wouldn't mind Shyamal & I think its fine for a derivative work to exist even when the original work may be deleted (I could be wrong). However I wonder, if using a coin as a reference for size constitutes a copyright violation. Said that, please go ahead and delete, if it really is a violation. --Rawlife (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Even for providing information about the size of a particular species, you can not use a copyrighted work.
- We don't and can't upload photograph François Hollande next to a copyrighted painting to tell how tall is Hollande under Creative Commons license.--Canopus Grandiflora 17:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I get the point, and I am fine with the deletion of this image. And I think the image with scale instead of the coin File:Ropalidia rufoplagiata scalemarked.jpg could be a good replacement.--Rawlife (talk) 07:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment again, is a DW of copyvio also a copyvio? Besides, this new scanned image is not accurate as we can not know the exact scale as the coin was tilted and the visible diameter in the photo will be lesser than 250 millimetres. Secondary question. But it is just a comment.--Canopus Grandiflora 13:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Well in that case, could the best way out be to upload a replacement image (a new version of the original work) that doesn't cause copyvio? I can definitely upload an image without the coin and I can put the right scale (measuring the ₨2 coin that I have)--Rawlife (talk) 04:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Rawlife: I do not know if DW of copyvio also a copyvio, so, I do not know if that is okay, and moreover, you can actually upload the cropped photo on Commons with noone knowing if there was copyrighted material there or not. But about the scale, you can not tell the scale accurately a the coin in the photo was inclined and apparent diameter is visible, and error percentage will be high.--Canopus Grandiflora 17:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Keep We should not delete this good photo because shooting a coin is a normal thing. --203.145.95.113 06:17, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Sure. Photographing a coin is a "normal thing". So is downloading music from the torrent. But this" normal thing" accounts for copyright violation. COM:Currency states that Indian currency is considered as work of Indian government and it is copyrighted. There is a difference between something that is normal thing. And a copyvio is not allowed on this project.--Canopus Grandiflora 06:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Delete I guess the above discussion has made it clear that this is a copyright violation, and thus, it can't be kept in Commons or licensed under CC licence.--Canopus Grandiflora 06:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Deleted: Shyamal has uploaded a cropped version of this with a linear scale, so this is not needed. Thank you, Shyamal. To answer the several questions above, we routinely crop images that contain copyrighted material in order to keep the remainder. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
