Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ramon Fernandez 2022 stamp of the Philippines.jpg
While stamps of the Philippines can sometimes be PD they aren't in cases where the image on them is otherwise copyrighted. In this case the image is a screenshot of a basketball game video. While I don't have a link to the original video screenshots from it can easily be found on Google Images by searching for his name. Either way, this image is clearly copyrighted unless someone has evidence to the contrary. Adamant1 (talk) 15:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Keep. The rationale for deletion is a speculation. Materialscientist (talk) 23:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's a crop of this image from ESPNs website, which is from a televised basketball game. It also has the grainy quality of a television broadcast video at that time. What's more likely, that it's a screenshot of a pre-recorded video or at least was taken by a professional photographer or that some rando in the crowd took it with their Kodak handheld camera? Either way, it hasn't been 50 years since the game was played or the image was taken since he played between 1972 and 1994. So even if I'm wrong about it being a screenshot of a video it should still be deleted per the copyright term of Create/publish + 50 years for photographs. Unless your going to argue the image was taken the first year he played basket, but that would be way more speculation then anything I've said. Especially since the photograph is of him playing for the San Miguel Beer and he didn't start playing there until 1988. Good luck trying to speculate that's not the case though. In the meantime, it's pretty obvious the image should be deleted until 2,038. Really it's laughable that your even trying to argue it should be kept.
- As a side to that, it's not on me to do all the footwork to figure out if the images you uploaded are PD or not. Maybe do it yourself next time. People shouldn't have to keep nominating your images for deletion or repeatedly waste their time countering your nonsense keep rationales just because you couldn't be bothered to do the monochrome of effort it would take to find out what the copyright status of an image is before you upload it. Thanks! --Adamant1 (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Could you please stop personal attacks and fix your ESPNs link (I see no image there)? Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 09:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, but it's not a personal attack to request someone do their own research to figure out if an image is copyrighted before they upload it. That's literally the policy, which you should know and care about following since your an administrator. More so considering you've had a bunch of your uploads deleted as COPYVIO at this point. I shouldn't have to point it out either. Really, I could have just left a "Don't upload copyrighted material to Commons or you might be blocked" warning to your talk page. I though this would be the more civil way to go about things though. Either way, just do the research yourself next time before you upload the image. It's not that hard. It took me less then a minute to figure out where this one came from. So there's really no excuse.
- Could you please stop personal attacks and fix your ESPNs link (I see no image there)? Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 09:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- As a side to that, it's not on me to do all the footwork to figure out if the images you uploaded are PD or not. Maybe do it yourself next time. People shouldn't have to keep nominating your images for deletion or repeatedly waste their time countering your nonsense keep rationales just because you couldn't be bothered to do the monochrome of effort it would take to find out what the copyright status of an image is before you upload it. Thanks! --Adamant1 (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Anyway, I don't have the time or urge to provide a valid link to ESPN since the deletion request doesn't hinge on it and the whole thing seems a bit like derailing anyway. If you do a Google Image Search for "Ramon Fernandez" though it's the third image on the list, which has the ESPN link attached to it. I have faith you can find it on your own ;) --Adamant1 (talk) 10:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: Fernandez ended his basketball career in 1984 according to en: Ramon Fernandez, consequently, the original photo for this stamp has been taken prior to 1984. We have no information about the date or the photographer, but this stamp design clearly is a derivative work of a photo. We have no message from the Philippines post office that the original photo is in PD. So imho this image must be deleted based on COM:PRP and because evidence is not available. It can be undeleted, based on Philippine copyright law about photos (supposing it was taken in the Philippines) in 1984+51=2035. . --Ellywa (talk) 12:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
