Commons:Deletion requests/File:RBMK.Reactor.jpg
The picture was not self-made -<(kmk)>- (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Circumstantial evidence: In two of his four edits User:TZV wrote on the talk page of Felix Koenig. The comments are barely comprehensible and riddled with babelfish type errors. In particular, the translator must have been a german-english babelfish ("Verschreiben" --> "to prescribe"). At the time, these comments were written, a German WP user de:Benutzer:Felix Koenig was closely associated with German WP user user TZV. They literally came in a bundle. This german user TZV is notorious for bad practice, when it comes to sources for his contributions. He consistently describes himself to be a mid-teenage pupil. Now, it is more than unlikely that a german teenager gains access to the core of a russian nuclear plant, takes a photo and is allowed to distribute it freely. There is no meta information on the camera used. In addition, the image uploaded to WikiCommons features weak moiree artifacts. These are telling signs of a scan of a print. There has already been a deletion request for the image. However, two out of three users assumed good faith and voted in favor of the image. Consequently, User:Anonymous Dissident decided to keep it. User:Detector complained. Anonymous Dissident recommended to renominate the image and link to the discussion. A few days later, an IP presented a link to a webpage, that contains a copy of the same image. Summary: The image is most certainly copyrighted by someone else.---<(kmk)>- (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- It is not clear to that this would be a crop of the image on http://www.laes.ru/content/proizv/tehnology/htm/51.htm . It seems to have been taken at a different time. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is a window-less engine-room, illuminated by electrical light only. So different hue is due to post processing, rather than because of a different time of day. The point of view is exactly the same in both images. The technician on the right, is in the same position on both copies. The loose cable to the left of the fuel rods is in the same position, too. I see no significant difference between the two images. Even if these were different images, circumstantial evidence shows beyond reasonable doubt, that File:RBMK.Reactor.jpg is not own-work of User:TZV.---<(kmk)>- (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- It is difficult to be entirely certain and it does not really matter, but it seems to me that the technicians are in different positions. I have visited nuclear reactors in the Soviet Union, and I have made photos inside. I could scan them, but they are not that encyclopedic as I do not quite remember which reactor this was. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is a window-less engine-room, illuminated by electrical light only. So different hue is due to post processing, rather than because of a different time of day. The point of view is exactly the same in both images. The technician on the right, is in the same position on both copies. The loose cable to the left of the fuel rods is in the same position, too. I see no significant difference between the two images. Even if these were different images, circumstantial evidence shows beyond reasonable doubt, that File:RBMK.Reactor.jpg is not own-work of User:TZV.---<(kmk)>- (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- The last deletion discussion can be found here. I still don't believe that the user names are just an coincidence. And the user is to young to believe that he got access to the reactor of a Russian power plant and permission to take photos. --Kam Solusar (talk) 16:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Delete You might although take in consideration, that de:user:TZV was active on german wikipedia only minutes after this upload here in the article de:RMBK, the type of reactor shown. It was although de:user:TZV who added this image 3 days later to that same article. de:user:TZV is currently blocked for his lack in the use of sources. He was blocked before for using serveral russian source, without being capable of understanding them, but protecting his edits via editwar. --Blunts (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Let's summarize. 1. The morphology and syntax of the phrases by the Commons User TZV is indubitable german. The chance is very small, that there are two german users with the name TZV, who work at the same sectors in german wikipedia. 2. The german user TZV is well known for source problems regarding his articles in wikipedia as well as in wiki-commons (ChNPP is his officially Commons-Account). I think everybody can conceive that it is impossible for a 14 year old kid to get access to a russian nuclear power plant and take some photos. 3. There are obvious moire patterns on the images. In addition there are no meta datas of the camera. --Paramecium (talk) 23:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete It is highly unlikely that the guy with the red hat on the right is at exactly the same position in both images (unless he stands there all day). The two images are from the same source. Quartl (talk) 02:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete The moiré is not obvious, but it is there in the high-resolution file, so this was scanned, probably from one of those Soviet books. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thats an interseting aspect as you can see a paper-like structure in the upper half of the picture. This would support the scanned-thesis. --Blunts (talk) 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Deleted. -mattbuck (Talk) 03:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
