Commons:Deletion requests/File:Pulitzer`s gold medal.jpg
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COM:COIN Non-free photo of public domain 3D-object, photographer's permission missing. VLu (talk) 14:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- It`s not a coin or currency, it`s an original medal. An original medal is an object of art. It is not a "3-d object" (not a statue), there is no "point of view" or special "lighting", there are only two sides with an original picture or text, sometimes in relief, sometimes not. According to the rule "a mere mechanical reproduction of some other image, such as an unmodified photocopy or scan of a drawing, cannot attract additional copyright protection over and above that of the original, as it lacks originality: it is a bare copy, no more. That rule applies internationally and, on Commons, is normally taken for granted" and "the photograph is not original enough to qualify for copyright protection". The author of the medal died in 1931. Thus, there is no copyright abuse and I`m against this nomination. Nicklenick (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nicklenick, whether you like it or not, a medal is a 3D-object. Cf. Commons:Deletion requests/File:LobachevskyMedal.jpeg, Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Yevrowl, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mary and Philip medal.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Знак отличия «за 40 лет беспорочной службы».jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Khiva Medal.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Znak SVU-All.png and many other deletion requests about medals depicted. --VLu (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- According to this logic pictures are 3-d objects too, because every picture (due to layers of paint and the frame) has its dimensions. But for a picture it doesn`t matter, as well as for medals. Reliefs are especial cases of the images (pictures), the object has two sides with pictures or reliefes, there is no third extension which is of any importantce. Your examples are probably those of misunderstanding the denotation of "3-d objects", when it comes to "PD-Art". In case of PD-Art it is relevant to statue, because "point of view" or "light" is important for copyright. In our case there is the "bare copy" of an art-object which is in the public domain. Nicklenick (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are wasting your time trying to claim that your medal is less 3D than other medals or coins. Go on mentioning statues doesn't make sense as well, COM:ART is not only about the statues: see Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet. It's an official policy, if you haven't noticed. --VLu (talk) 07:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- But original medal is not a coin at all! Do not mix them up, please. Let imaginary resemblance not hide from you a cardinal difference. Indeed, coins have three dimensions - obverse, reverse and traverse, - while medals may not have reverse, and, as usual, have no traverse. Besides, coins have no author, express the value and always belong to some owner; in fact, a coin is the public sovereign obligation before its owner, as a rule, coins cannot be in public domain (exept there is his will), and that is why photos of coins require special regulations. With the original medals, that is, with a privy work, made by private order by a private person, everything is exactly the opposite: the object is an object of art with one or two sides on which there is an image or text, rights for this object belong to the author till 70 years after his death. And after 70 years any image of this image "is not original enough to be qualified for copyright protection" - anyone else with a camera and access to the object can make the same or better copy, there is no ground to protect his authorship under the law, since there is no authorship. Nicklenick (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are wasting your time trying to claim that your medal is less 3D than other medals or coins. Go on mentioning statues doesn't make sense as well, COM:ART is not only about the statues: see Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet. It's an official policy, if you haven't noticed. --VLu (talk) 07:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- According to this logic pictures are 3-d objects too, because every picture (due to layers of paint and the frame) has its dimensions. But for a picture it doesn`t matter, as well as for medals. Reliefs are especial cases of the images (pictures), the object has two sides with pictures or reliefes, there is no third extension which is of any importantce. Your examples are probably those of misunderstanding the denotation of "3-d objects", when it comes to "PD-Art". In case of PD-Art it is relevant to statue, because "point of view" or "light" is important for copyright. In our case there is the "bare copy" of an art-object which is in the public domain. Nicklenick (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nicklenick, whether you like it or not, a medal is a 3D-object. Cf. Commons:Deletion requests/File:LobachevskyMedal.jpeg, Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Yevrowl, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mary and Philip medal.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Знак отличия «за 40 лет беспорочной службы».jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Khiva Medal.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Znak SVU-All.png and many other deletion requests about medals depicted. --VLu (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Kept: source is the copyright holder's website. --Sealle (talk) 12:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
