Commons:Deletion requests/File:Portrait of Marchisio sisters, 1860s.jpg
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One of a bunch of "by permission only" photos uploaded for . But this one is from the 1860s and so it's very possibly public domain. B (talk) 13:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
@B: The photos on Rosa Raisa page are not copyright protected any more. In all removal nominations, you seem to make guesses and even sometimes say that the photo is likely in public domain. I wonder why then you nominate such photo for removal. Mr. Charles Mintzer noticed these removals and contacted me to inquire about it. He is categorical that no copyright law violations have been made with these photos. "By permission" that you wonder about refers to Mr. Mintzer's permission to share these photos from his private collection of opera historic photos. Please reinstate back all the photos that were removed from Rosa Raisa page until you can prove that any of them violates copyright laws. Wikiuserthea (talk)
- @Wikiuserthea: Wikipedia and Commons only accept images where the copyright holder has granted permission for ANYONE to use the image - not just images licensed to WIKIPEDIA ONLY. The image description page says "Charles Mintzer Collection, used with permission for Rosa Raisa article on Wikipedia. Permission to use this photo must be granted by Mr. Mintzer and must be attributed to this collection." Those terms are not acceptable to Wikipedia. Please see Commons:Licensing for more information. If Mr. Mintzer would like to grant permission to use his photos, Commons:Email templates/Consent has a sample form that can be submitted to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Please note that it is important to know that he is the COPYRIGHT HOLDER, not merely the person who is in physical possession of the photos. If he is not the photographer, then there needs to be an explanation of how he became the copyright holder (e.g. they were a work product for his company, he purchased the copyright, etc). --B (talk) 12:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @B: Thank you for these clarifications. I'll send Mr. Mintzer the link to this page where he can see your comment. I'll also direct him to your other comment (I'll post this same reply there too) explaining how he can contact Wikimedia by e-mail. He doesn't know how to write directly on Wikipedia and asked me to do it on his behalf as I've been familiar with his research on Rosa Raisa. I was very happy to do it as I hold him and his knowledge of opera history in high regard. Frankly, I am hardly familiar with writing on Wikipedia either, but I know a few formatting commands and Mr. Mintzer surely deserves the assistance. He is a well-known collector of opera historic photos and has spent his lifetime researching on Rosa Raisa, whose family he personally knew for decades and Ms. Raisa's only daughter gifted him some private photos for his research. All these photos were copyright cleared when he was publishing the book and, from what I understand, no photo copyrights were transferred to the book publisher (who, in the meantime, ceased its operation anyway). On my part I think it's his generous gesture to share these photos from his private collection on Wikipedia but we fully understand that you need explanations about their public domain status. I do want to remind in general about the U.S. copyright law, where most of these photos were taken, that any works published in the U.S. prior to 1923 are automatically in public domain. Most of the photos he shared are dated/taken before 1923 and should be clearly granted the permission from Wikipedia according to the U.S. copyright law. At any rate, I'll direct him to the e-mail address you gave that he can personally contact with explanations.Wikiuserthea (talk)
- @Wikiuserthea: I'm assuming that you and he both speak Italian natively? If so, Commons:Licensing/it gives an explanation in your native language about our licensing rules and may help explain it better than I can. --B (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @B: Neither one of us speaks Italian, but English. That said, he might know someone who is fluent in Italian and, if he does, I'll alert him to that additional link as well. I am just about to e-mail him with the link to your responses. Thank you again.Wikiuserthea (talk)
- @Wikiuserthea: My apologies, I made the incorrect assumption that these were all Italy-related images and that you were both from Italy. Commons:Licensing/en is the English version (and there are links at the top to a variety of other languages). Again, I apologize for my incorrect assumption. --B (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @B: Neither one of us speaks Italian, but English. That said, he might know someone who is fluent in Italian and, if he does, I'll alert him to that additional link as well. I am just about to e-mail him with the link to your responses. Thank you again.Wikiuserthea (talk)
- @Wikiuserthea: I'm assuming that you and he both speak Italian natively? If so, Commons:Licensing/it gives an explanation in your native language about our licensing rules and may help explain it better than I can. --B (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @B: Thank you for these clarifications. I'll send Mr. Mintzer the link to this page where he can see your comment. I'll also direct him to your other comment (I'll post this same reply there too) explaining how he can contact Wikimedia by e-mail. He doesn't know how to write directly on Wikipedia and asked me to do it on his behalf as I've been familiar with his research on Rosa Raisa. I was very happy to do it as I hold him and his knowledge of opera history in high regard. Frankly, I am hardly familiar with writing on Wikipedia either, but I know a few formatting commands and Mr. Mintzer surely deserves the assistance. He is a well-known collector of opera historic photos and has spent his lifetime researching on Rosa Raisa, whose family he personally knew for decades and Ms. Raisa's only daughter gifted him some private photos for his research. All these photos were copyright cleared when he was publishing the book and, from what I understand, no photo copyrights were transferred to the book publisher (who, in the meantime, ceased its operation anyway). On my part I think it's his generous gesture to share these photos from his private collection on Wikipedia but we fully understand that you need explanations about their public domain status. I do want to remind in general about the U.S. copyright law, where most of these photos were taken, that any works published in the U.S. prior to 1923 are automatically in public domain. Most of the photos he shared are dated/taken before 1923 and should be clearly granted the permission from Wikipedia according to the U.S. copyright law. At any rate, I'll direct him to the e-mail address you gave that he can personally contact with explanations.Wikiuserthea (talk)
Kept: copyright very likely long time expired. --JuTa 17:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
