Commons:Deletion requests/File:Portrait of Dragut - The Drawn Sword of Islam.jpg

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File:Portrait of Dragut - The Drawn Sword of Islam.jpg

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Disputed: Poor quality repro of same image in File:Turgut Reis Admiral.JPG. Has been subject of edit war, see "old versions" of the image to retain. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Delete per nom. "16th century" is not a source. Where did the uploader get this image?   — Jeff G. ツ 00:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment 'Poor quality' is a subjective assessment. Rather than engage in an edit war I have separated the two versions. Regarding the file's info, I copied it exactly from Turgut_Reis_Admiral.jpg so there can't be any fault there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Clevermercury (talk • contribs)
  •  Delete - original image also nominated for deletion - Source & author is not accurate -- ...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 07:24, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete per Jeff. Wikicology (talk) 11:04, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Per Fastily's and Yann's here (Subject died in 1441. Pretty sure this is PD-old). --Discasto talk 16:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Faithful reproduction of public domain images remain public domain. The original is PD-old, whether this was reproduced by a modern painter or not, it remains public domain as it is based on a public domain image. --Clevermercury (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment*1565, not 1441, at least according to the description. But it wasn’t necessarily painted from life, if posthumous it could date from any time between 1565 and today. The text looks newer than XVI c. to me; if it were typeset I’d say XVIII–XIX c., from a font executed in steel rather than wood. But it’s harder to be definite about hand-lettering. Unfortunately the stated source website no longer seems to exist, so we can‘t tell what it was cropped out of.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Site clearly showing this version of the famous painting as the reference design. Discussion of deleting this image is not based on any logical reasoning. This image is the reference design. I will be seeking administrator intervention should things continue to escalate needlessly. --Cdfi (talk) 00:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Well, Cdfi I am an administrator. The action needed here is to find a source for this painting, which unfortunately is not provided by the website given above. We need the date of the painting, the author and if possible a location. Since you'd like another admin, I'm pinging Jameslwoodward for a second opinion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment If any administrator in the English Wikipedia is available, s/he could access deleted content in en:Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2015 March 11 and verify whether the image deleted there is the same as ours and the claims of it being "a pastiche work by a modern 20th-century artist". Best regards --Discasto talk 10:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment The work is in public domain and there are plenty of other lost relics of art without a definitive author or date created, but that doesn't mean we should remove them from our collective memory (wikimedia). Please consider ensuring that a solution is put in place where curious readers of wikipedia do not lose access to this beautiful piece of art. The origin of this file is as follows: two other wikiers had uploaded two different versions of Turgut_Reis_Admiral.JPG (the dark and the light), so rather than get stuck in an edit war I took the other guy's advice and reuploaded the file to a new name. The darker, more red one is not necessarily the original just because it was uploaded first. I believe the most fair thing to do is to allow both to exist on wikimedia, as they are actually different paintings. --Clevermercury (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment May I assume that Clevermercury and Cdfi are the same guy? --Discasto talk 08:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they're both me. --Clevermercury (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you're new to Commons. --E4024 (talk) 13:54, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am new and still learning, thank you for your kind help. --Clevermercury (talk) 14:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you already know a lot about Commons. :) --E4024 (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I'm trying my best - always open to mentors. --Clevermercury (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment The statement "faithful reproduction of public domain image" is far from being justified. Why is it in the public domain? --Discasto talk 10:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All are missing one point, How this image enters in public domain..? Where is the evidence..?? ...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 12:58, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete It's copyright, here's the proof:File:Turgut Reis Admiral.JPG & File:Portrait of Dragut - The Drawn Sword of Islam.jpg are reproductions of the work of Turkish artist Feyhaman Duran. Black and white repro appears at http://marinesol.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Turgut_Reis.jpg, credit to artist and location of painting at http://marinesol.org/deception-at-djerba-version-1/ . Painting is described as “Dragut, Corsaro di Barberia”, 1948, 81 cm x 63 cm, Istanbul Naval Museum painting Collection, DB:1082. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Per Ellin Beltz's --Discasto talk 17:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note the monochrome image linked above is sourced to WP—I presume it was derived from the now-deleted version there—but I find the details concerning the original pretty persuasive. The museum website offers only ‘slices‘ of half a dozen of its oil paintings, not including this one, but a couple of their history articles are illustrated by a portrait of another person in the same style, including similar titling. Far from conclusive, but certainly enough to undermine the claim of antiquity in the absence of contrary evidence. Hence  Delete.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 09:06, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: 1948 work is still under copyright. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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