Commons:Deletion requests/File:Owen Paterson.jpg

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File:Owen Paterson.jpg

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NIO copyright notice doesn't allow for derivative works. They use a slightly different copyright notice to other government departments, which include the "under the terms of the Open Government Licence" qualifier. Since the NIO office doesn't include the Open Government Licence clause, it's straight Crown Copyright. Image previously deleted for same reason at File:Secretary of state ni owen paterson.jpg, see Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2011/12#Images under U.K. Crown Copyright o.k. for Commons? also. One Night In Hackney (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • No it isn't. "Any public sector body can make their information available for use and re-use under the Open Government Licence", the word "can" has a very clear meaning. It's up to the NIO to release the images under the OGL. One Night In Hackney (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • A more specific link is [1] All crown copyright material, with a small number of exceptions, that do not apply, is under the OGL thanks to the Controller of HMSO. (The "any public sector bodies" bit refers to non-Crown bodies like local government bodies.) —innotata 19:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did read it thanks. I also read the part I already referred to, reading "Any public sector body can make their information available for use and re-use under the Open Government Licence". The NIO website's copyright message is quite clear, the images are Crown Copyright not OGL. One Night In Hackney (talk) 19:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Actually image are allowed under the Open Government Licence and also the Controller's Office, which is what I released it under: Controller of HMSO's offer and [2] Image has been taken by the Department for Education therefore this image is allowed as it has been released by the OGL.
No it's not under OGL as every state body decides independently what to release under OGL and what not. This body decided against OGL. As said in other DR the HMSO officer statement is a general statement that Crown Copyright elements may be released under OGL if the copyright holders agree. They don't agree in case of NIO so image has to be deleted. --Denniss (talk) 10:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you mentioning states? You do realise that Northern Ireland isn't a state, its a Country, its a part of the United Kingdom and comes under British Law and its jurisdiction, so for you to say that it gets to decide independently what to release under the OGL is both incorrect and misleading, as you are trying to use American laws on a British matter of law. Also you have no proof that it has decided against OGL, so you cannot just make up information to suit your arguement, especially when it hasn't, as another editor even wrote this: [3] All crown copyright material, with a small number of exceptions, that do not apply, is under the OGL thanks to the Controller of HMSO and here: "The NIO doesn't get to choose what license this is under: it's under the OGL under the Controller of HMSO's offer". NIO do agree to use OGL since they use Crown Copyright, that is how British Law works. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's nothing but your opinion, and since you've been banned from en.wiki for abuse including many copyright violations I'd suggest your opinion is worthless. The fact is the NIO's copyright is straight Crown Copyright not Crown Copyright + Open Government Licence, thus meaning no derivative works. One Night In Hackney (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hackney you evidently don't understand how Crown Copyright works, as its not going Crown Copyright + OGL, as you should read [4] it clearly states on Crown Copyright "We license a wide range of Crown copyright and Crown database right information through the Open Government Licence and the UK Government Licensing Framework" and then if you go onto OGL [5] it says "The Controller of HMSO has authority to license Information subject to copyright and database right owned by the Crown." and on Crown Copyright it states "The Controller of Her Majesty's Stationery Office (HMSO) at The National Archives manages Crown copyright and Crown database rights on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen in the following ways: We license a wide range of Crown copyright and Crown database right information through the Open Government Licence." so the images in question as they come under Crown Copyright, also come under OGL, its in black and white on the Governments links that I have just posted. So you say my opinion is worthless, but i've just proven that you are wrong and that Crown Copyright which is what NIO uses, releases files under OGL! Oh when you have to mention banning in order to try and win your arguement it shows that you know that you have lost your arguement! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: NIO content is under Crown copyright and NOT released under OGL although they had the option to do so Denniss (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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