Commons:Deletion requests/File:Osama Bin Laden-Pentagon.png

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File:Osama Bin Laden-Pentagon.png

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Author is not US government Officer (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Keep. The image was used in a Pentagon video without attribution. (Some other images of bin Laden for example said "Al Jazeera" in the same video.) So unless you can identify the author, the image should stand as a free government image. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Comment - Nearly all his images were used or posted on US government sites, but they all come from news agencies or others. Did US government met Osama on this day and took his photo? When you upload images it's your job to provide accurate information on author, date and etc.--Officer (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Comment Would you please identify the author? If you can't this image should be kept. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  I've seen this image many times in the past, it was created in Afghanistan most likely by al Qaida members.--Officer (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  Unless this is a Commons policy with which I am unfamiliar, I would say that if the author cannot be identified (and the image is not pre-1923), it should be—quite the opposite—automatically deleted. This is not a court: images are not "public domain until proven copyrighted". — the Man in Question (in question) 03:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Comment The government would have given credit to any person or organization it needs to give credit to. A deletion request can't proceed on the basis of who the author "is not". -SusanLesch (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  The US government usually doesn't provide information about stuff like that, but they do have the power to use them for their own purposes or at least they find the means to do so.--Officer (talk) 22:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Delete. I see no reason to believe it is not under copyright. The copyright belongs to the Associated Press.[1] — the Man in Question (in question) 03:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Keep per Susan. Ancient Apparition ^(talk) 04:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Delete per The Man in Question. In order to keep this photo, the uploader would have to assure that the copyright holder had released into public domain. It's not enough to refer to PD-USgov since these instances may as well have failed in providing a correct license or a name on their page. Here it is very likely that the latter has happened.--Toter Alter Mann (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Delete Susan: its the other way round, if you want to keep this images, then you must provide the author. Images at Commons require a proper license. For PD-USGov to apply, we need to know that it is "a work prepared by an officer or employee of the U.S. government as part of that person's official duties." --Rotkraut (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Delete per The Man in Question who pointed to this photo with a credit to AP. Well done and thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:09, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Comment Officer, if you can make an argument that this portrait was seized by the U.S. government along the lines of your arguments elsewhere, then I change my vote to  Keep. The more I think about it, the more possible that seems, because this is the same photo the FBI used. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  If we can find any information that the US government purchased this image or is the sole owner then I think we can keep it under PD-USGov.--Officer (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  I could not find the image in the Associated Press archives[2], it is the image used by the FBI[3], and it appeared on Saturday Night Live 00:15 (which may suggest it is in public domain). That said, these sources also attribute the photo to the Associated Press: [4] and [5]. — the Man in Question (in question) 05:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

   Comment Source 5 doesn't say AP, it says the image of the FBI list is AP. -SusanLesch (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  The image of the FBI list is the same image we're discussing here. The Associated Press certainly doesn't own the copyright to the red "deceased" label, so the credit refers to the image. — the Man in Question (in question) 16:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  I found it at the Associated Press archives [6]--Officer (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

  Good work. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Delete Since the Man in Question has shown explicitly that this is an Associated Press image and not a government work we should go ahead and nominate it for speedy deletion. Solid State Survivor (talk) 04:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Delete pending the confirmation of its source. Though for what it's worth, if it isn't the FBI's picture, then it was probably taken by a member of al Qaeda and I don't think they're about to enforce the copyright on their pictures. Harej (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
•  Delete Presumably copyrighted image, unacceptable for Commons. --Karppinen (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Deleted: Per above, author is not the U.S. government. --ZooFari 00:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)