Commons:Deletion requests/File:Oratoire Notre-Dame-de-Grottais.jpg
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This is a photo that is DW of a 1946 monument or oratory in France. Delete per COM:FOP France.
— Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: As it is written in the link, "On 7 October 2016, the French parliament approved a law recognizing a limited version of the freedom of panorama that authorizes the reproduction by individuals (not organizations) of buildings and sculptures permanently located in public space, but only for non-commercial utilizations." The oratory is located in public space. Everyone can access to it everytime. Moreover, I do not publish this photo for commercial reasons, but for cultural ones. Therefore, I think that this picture is legal. If you need more information about the oratory, please ask me.N. Payen (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @N. Payen: Jimbo made a pronouncement before 02:21, 8 September 2004 (UTC) that we would not accept "non-commercial use only" content per this edit, codified in the WikiMedia Foundation Licensing Policy Resolution of 23 March 2007. See also the classification of "Non Commercial" as one of the "Restrictions which are not permissible" at https://freedomdefined.org/Permissible_restrictions#Non_Commercial. Why can't we reach you via email? — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 18:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: Indeed, I did not receive your email, and I do not know why you cannot reach me via email. I created my Wikipedia account a long time ago, without using it so much; therefore it may be a different address that the one I use now. In my point of view, the point is not really non-commercial use, but the fact that the building is located in the public space. It is part of the life of the Christian community - what we call, in France, a "paroisse", and I really do not think there is any problem with this photo, as photos which are really similar to mine are already published in books related to the history of Guer.N. Payen (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @N. Payen: On 9 July 2018 you wrote to permissions-commons
wikimedia.org about a particular file, creating Ticket:2018070910005852. On 14 January 2019 I replied, but my reply message bounced off of ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com [172.217.197.27] due to "The email account that you tried to reach does not exist." I cannot email you via Special:EmailUser/N. Payen using your WMF account because "This user has not specified a valid email address." If you consent to discussion of the matter publicly I will do so; otherwise, please email permissions-commonswikimedia.org from a working email address, adding the following to the subject bar of the email in its entirety: [Ticket#: 2018070910005852]. Then please let me know. There are 5 other tickets in the same predicament. If the photo would be illegal for you to put on a t-shirt or coffee cup and sell in downtown Guer or Paris, we will not host it here on Wikimedia Commons. The publishers of those books either got permission or operated illegally. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: Well, the pictures have been deleted, so there is no need to send a mail anymore. I thought it was a good idea to contribute to Wikimedia, because it allows us to make culture accessible, but I think I would not contribute anymore, and I will explain you why. There might be a discrepancy between French Law and the US one, just as "downtown Guer" would make a French guy laugh. In France, we recently passed a law which is called "RGPD" (May 25th, 2018) and which allow us to remove private pieces of information from the Internet. I could not imagine that I was not allowed to remove something from my profile, because Wikimedia's rules are illegal from the point of view of French Law. I understand that things must be open to debate, so information might be accessible, but, on the other hand, you should not force someone to give his email address nor essentialize him, saying that he posted wrong things in the past (not knowing he was not allowed), and that he will badly behave in the future (that is discrimination). Wikimedia will not receive any picture from my part. That being said, if Wikimedia do not want a picture, I will not oppose removing it ;-) .N. Payen (talk) 13:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- @N. Payen: I'm sorry you feel that way. This is the first I am hearing that you want pieces of information removed. Please specify such pieces. I tried to email you regarding Ticket:2018070910005852, which was created when you emailed us. It appears you emailed us some 8 times (two tickets were combined). I am not forcing you to give a working email address; that is only necessary if you want to privately pursue any of the tickets created on your behalf regarding permission issues you once seemed to care about. When people post wrong things here because they did not know they were wrong, we try to educate them (for instance, asking them to review en:WP:THREAD and en:WP:INDENT), while at the same time trying to fulfill our mission. I never assumed that you "will badly behave in the future", you must have misinterpreted something I wrote (please be specific about that). — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 14:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: Well, the pictures have been deleted, so there is no need to send a mail anymore. I thought it was a good idea to contribute to Wikimedia, because it allows us to make culture accessible, but I think I would not contribute anymore, and I will explain you why. There might be a discrepancy between French Law and the US one, just as "downtown Guer" would make a French guy laugh. In France, we recently passed a law which is called "RGPD" (May 25th, 2018) and which allow us to remove private pieces of information from the Internet. I could not imagine that I was not allowed to remove something from my profile, because Wikimedia's rules are illegal from the point of view of French Law. I understand that things must be open to debate, so information might be accessible, but, on the other hand, you should not force someone to give his email address nor essentialize him, saying that he posted wrong things in the past (not knowing he was not allowed), and that he will badly behave in the future (that is discrimination). Wikimedia will not receive any picture from my part. That being said, if Wikimedia do not want a picture, I will not oppose removing it ;-) .N. Payen (talk) 13:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
- @N. Payen: On 9 July 2018 you wrote to permissions-commons
- @Jeff G.: Indeed, I did not receive your email, and I do not know why you cannot reach me via email. I created my Wikipedia account a long time ago, without using it so much; therefore it may be a different address that the one I use now. In my point of view, the point is not really non-commercial use, but the fact that the building is located in the public space. It is part of the life of the Christian community - what we call, in France, a "paroisse", and I really do not think there is any problem with this photo, as photos which are really similar to mine are already published in books related to the history of Guer.N. Payen (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- @N. Payen: Jimbo made a pronouncement before 02:21, 8 September 2004 (UTC) that we would not accept "non-commercial use only" content per this edit, codified in the WikiMedia Foundation Licensing Policy Resolution of 23 March 2007. See also the classification of "Non Commercial" as one of the "Restrictions which are not permissible" at https://freedomdefined.org/Permissible_restrictions#Non_Commercial. Why can't we reach you via email? — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 18:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination - NC restrictions are not permitted on Commons/. . Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
