Commons:Deletion requests/File:Onassio.jpg
Sorry, but this looks like a modern architecture and there is no Freedom of Panorama in Greece. A.Savin 15:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
This picture does not violate any Greek copyright law as it is certainly an "occasional" reproduction of a work, as I explain in the following lines.
I copy from the relevant Commons page [[1]]: "It remains unclear what exactly "occasional/casual reproduction and communication by the mass media" (η περιστασιακή αναπαραγωγή και διάδοση με μέσα μαζικής επικοινωνίας) encompasses.
Well, to any Greek native speaker, like me, the meaning of the adjective "περιστασιακή" (peristasiakí) that precedes "αναπαραγωγή" (reproduction) is not at all unclear: it simply means "not occurring on a regular basis", or "not frequent" if you like. It is the only apropriate opposite to the word "τακτική" which is most of the times translated as "regular". So it also means "not regular".
If something happens on a daily basis (eating breakfast, going to school etc), it is regular and not occasional. If something takes place every single year (spending a few summer days in Greece or Spain), it is also not occasional. If something happened twice in one's lifetime, like getting married, it is certainly and logically "not regular". People usually do not get married "on a regular basis". If something only happened once ("John's Grandpa died last year") it is certainly not regular.
Now, the action in question is REPRODUCING pictures of modern buildings that are someone's work and of Onassio Hospital in particular. I only reproduced once a picture of Onassio; I do not do it on a regular basis! Something cannot possibly be "regular" or "frequent" if it only happens once! And to anyone who will point out that it is difficult to interpret "legal texts" one could respond "Why did you translate legal texts in the first place, then?"
Another sentence on the Commons page [[2]]: "Even if "communication by the mass media" is seen as an extension of mere "reproduction", the interpretation of "occasional/casual" reproduction remain to be clarified by jurisdiction or an scholarly interpretation."
It is perfectly clear that the above "remain to be clarified" is just an expectation and the Greek courts are infamous for the speed of dealing with any case. Until clarification on a certain subject is given by a Court of Law (and maybe that never happens!), one retains a right to do something unless it is explicitly prohibited.That is a really basic principle.
CONCLUSION: Anyone (including me) has a right to "occasionally" reproduce images of buildings like Onassio Hospital, without having to ask for permission due to copyright issues. If a reproduction of a certain building (via photography, for example) only takes place once by one person, it is without any doubt an occasional action.
Argos 04:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Excuse me Argos, but this all is irrelevant, since pictures on Commons should be eligible for any reproduction, including commercial usage (see COM:Licensing). Uploading a picture of Onassio Hospital is legal, but hosting it on Commons under CC-BY(-SA) License is not, as long as there is no FoP in Greece and the architect has not been dead for at least 70 years. --A.Savin 03:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Dear A.Savin, you may disagree with my point of view, but I hold that there is in fact FoP in Greece as long as reproduction is "occasional"; that is not at all irrelevant. What I simply say is that according to Greek Law, as mentioned on Commons:FoP#Greece [[3]], " occasional reproduction and communication by the mass media of images of architectural works [...] which are sited permanently in a public place [like Onassio], shall be permissible, without the consent of the author and without payment ". In other words, there is no need for Lisence, because the reproduction of Onassio by photographic means is not regular; it would be regular, if I took photographs on a daily basis, on a weekly basis etc. If you take or reproduce pictures "every now and then", then you only do it occasionally. --Άργος (talk) 19:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Άργος, actually the key words are "by the mass media of images". With a free license you can't assure that the photo will be reproduced only by the mass media of images. And a photo available in a non-free license isn't eligible in Commons. --C messier (talk) 23:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Deleted: Images here must be free for any and all use, not merely occasional use. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
