Commons:Deletion requests/File:Nice 1941Georges-Dunan.jpg
I had marked this file, uploaded by User:Charenton in 2019 as "own work" from that year with a CC license (but described as showing someone in 1941), as missing a source because it was obviously scanned from some publication, including a caption Georges Dunan à Nice vers 1941. Coll. J.-P. Weber. User:Kasskass has since added a 1941-01-01 date (I doubt that the "January 1st" part is true given that the man shown is wearing a bath robe outside), a source reneedunan.over-blog.com, a claim that the author is anonymous, and a PD-anon-70-EU tag. While [1] indeed has the photo, the same scan complete with caption, that is obviously not the original source, which is still missing, and we cannot determine if there was a credit in the original source or not.
The uploader had added, just before, Photo donnée par A de Mytho de Nice à JPW. Where does that information come from? Is it from the original source? And if that amount of detail is known, shouldn't the photographer be known as well? A de Mytho is apparently French writer fr:Annie de Mytho (1899–1999). Is she the photographer? If yes, the photograph is still protected in France until the end of 2069. Even if she is not, the photo could have acquired a US copyright because of the URAA, depending on its "publication" history.
To sum it up, the "anonymous author" claim is a bit too tidy in my eyes, considering that there is apparently more information available than we are given. So the file should be deleted per the precautionary principle unless convincingly shown to be either under a free license or in the public domain in both France and the US. Rosenzweig τ 21:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Haha l'enquêteur Sherlock Rosenzweig a encore frappé. À grand renfort d'interprétation comme toujours...
- Cette photographie est de temps en temps reproduites dans des articles consacrés à Renée Dunan (ex: art de 2000 de Claudine Brécourt-Villars ds Histoires littéraires). Évidemment que la précision du 1er janvier est arbitraire, on ne connaît pas la date exacte.
- Cette illustration est une copie d'une photographie prise en 1941 dont l'auteur est anonyme. De là à affirmer que, parce qu'Annie de Mytho l'aurait donné à J-P Weber, elle en serait l'autrice... Cette photographie prise en 1941 est dans le domaine public (70 ans quand l'auteur est anonyme), donc la copie est recevable sur Commons.
- Inutile de broder plus en l'absence d'informations fiables.
- Cordialement, Kasskass (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- So when and where was this photograph published first? --Rosenzweig τ 19:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Deleted: URAA applies. I am also skeptical about this being truly anonymous. --Abzeronow (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
