Commons:Deletion requests/File:Monument to Ivan Papanin in Sevastopol.jpg
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see Commons:Deletion requests/Russia statues; it appears this was erected in 1954. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Prepare to be flakked by our Ukrainian "brethren" ;) NVO (talk) 07:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yikes - an ugly error. Does it matter that this area of Ukraine is known for being pro-Russian and speaking the Russian language more openly than the rest of Ukraine? Oh, right, the deletion: no FOP in Ukraine either. If I'd known, I would have just added it to User:Magog the Ogre/FOP Ukraine. Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not exactly an error - rather, lack of reliable info. That the thing is installed in Ukraine doesn't necessarily mean it was published there. I could have been made elsewhere, presented to the public there, or even copied in numbers, and then brought to Crimea. Like hundreds of cloned Lenins. In this case, the sculpture was made by en:Yevgeny Vuchetich, native of Ukraine who lived and worked in Moscow, so the above scenario could be possible. NVO (talk) 10:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well the law is pretty finicky over technicalities about where something was published, but commons needn't be. Does our policy state where an item is published, or where it's located? In either case, it's still copyrighted both in Russia and Ukraine. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- It's not copyrighted in Russia - their law does not use the concept of copyright at all. It's only a house rule here, at commons. No one here cares about real-world laws - until it comes after them. It works both ways - following commons rules does not protect the uploader. But, like I told you before, this piece of "art" is not worth fighting for. NVO (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Last time I checked, Russia signed the Berne Convention. Therefore their law does have the concept of copyright under some name.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- It doesn't not. Please keep your incompetence to yourself or better get some basic education on the subject. NVO (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Last time I checked, Russia signed the Berne Convention. Therefore their law does have the concept of copyright under some name.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- It's not copyrighted in Russia - their law does not use the concept of copyright at all. It's only a house rule here, at commons. No one here cares about real-world laws - until it comes after them. It works both ways - following commons rules does not protect the uploader. But, like I told you before, this piece of "art" is not worth fighting for. NVO (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well the law is pretty finicky over technicalities about where something was published, but commons needn't be. Does our policy state where an item is published, or where it's located? In either case, it's still copyrighted both in Russia and Ukraine. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Not exactly an error - rather, lack of reliable info. That the thing is installed in Ukraine doesn't necessarily mean it was published there. I could have been made elsewhere, presented to the public there, or even copied in numbers, and then brought to Crimea. Like hundreds of cloned Lenins. In this case, the sculpture was made by en:Yevgeny Vuchetich, native of Ukraine who lived and worked in Moscow, so the above scenario could be possible. NVO (talk) 10:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
NVO, there is no reason for a personal attack. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. There are nicer ways of disagreeing with someone than calling someone names. I, for example, think poorly of your opinions here, but I don't go around calling you incompetent and unlearned. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Deleted Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
