Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mohammed Dudin body.JPG
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
A violation of the privacy policy. USchick (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- The photo was not taken in a private place. The funeral was a public event in the streets of Dura. according to the policy page "the subject's consent is not usually needed for publishing a straightforward photograph of an identifiable individual taken in a public place". Another issue is that Muhammed Dudin is dead and therefore unable to give consent. The policy page states that "In most countries, these issues only affect images where the person is identifiable and still alive" No reason to assume the Palestinian territories are an exeption. The familly, however, wants these photos to be published. Azzam Talahmi (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- There's no reason to assume, because there's a very specific policy. According to the country policy Commons:Country specific consent requirements in Israel, a photo can be taken, but not published without consent. So even if you take the photo, you still need consent to publish it. USchick (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- THe Photo was NOT taken in Israel. It was photographed in a public event in a Palestinian territory (Dura) where Israeli law has no relevance (even according to Israeli law). Again you ignore the fact that the privacy policy page states "these issues only affect images where the person is identifiable and still alive". Even if such photo was taken in a territory where publishing requires consent (and this is NOT the case here) it is irrelevant for POST-MORTEM photography taken with the family consent. יורם שורק (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ok then, would you like to post a link to the law that governs freedom of panorama in Palestine? No one is arguing the right to take the photo, but to PUBLISH it, you need permission. USchick (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- "freedom of panorama"?? FOP refer to photos of buildings or sculptures which are permanently located in a public place. No such thing as FOP for dead bodies. First you argued that the deceased has to give consent for his post-mortem photos publications and now you say that a body is a work of art. In any case if this photo is not OK then all other post-mortem photos should be nominated for deletion. This page is not the right place to discuss radical policy change. יורם שורק (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- "All other" post-mortem photos meet requirements, like being in the public domain. This photo was taken in a country that doesn't allow for freedom of panorama without consent. Therefore, it doesn't meet requirements, that's why it's nominated for deletion. You may want to acquaint yourself with Commons:Country specific consent requirements it also pertains to people. USchick (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Commons:Country specific consent requirements has nothing to say about the Palestinian territories. Please try to READ the pages you quote. Let's try reading together:
- "This is part of the policy Photographs of identifiable people." If you look at Photographs of identifiable people you see again that it deals with people who are alive "these issues only affect images where the person is identifiable and still alive". The photo is of a dead body (dead people are not alive and therefore the question of consent is irrelevant).
- "Freedom of panorama" deals with architecture or art. Dead human body is neither architecture nor art (I cannot explain to you what is architecture or art in the scope of this page - please read in Wikipedia the relevant articles).
- You nominated this photo for deletion therefore you need to find a reason for deletion. If you cannot find one please stop this. יורם שורק (talk) 20:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- I hate to tell you this, but photography is art. According rules that deal with freedom of panorama, you can take this photo in a public place, but because it's a photo of an identifiable famous person, to publish it, you need consent. USchick (talk) 22:23, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- Photography is art and the artist who photographed this photo released it to wiki commons. please read again what I explained to you about "freedom of panorama". The "consent" issue is irrelevant for post-mortem photos. If you think there is a problem with the photos it is not enough to generate sentences with the terms "freedom of panorama" , "consent" and "public place" in random order. You need to refer to rule that forbid post-mortem photos taken in public event in the Palestinian territories. יורם שורק (talk) 04:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know how many different ways I can say it. To publish a photo of a recognizable famous person, you need consent. The admins will look at policy and decide this case, not us. USchick (talk) 16:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Photography is art and the artist who photographed this photo released it to wiki commons. please read again what I explained to you about "freedom of panorama". The "consent" issue is irrelevant for post-mortem photos. If you think there is a problem with the photos it is not enough to generate sentences with the terms "freedom of panorama" , "consent" and "public place" in random order. You need to refer to rule that forbid post-mortem photos taken in public event in the Palestinian territories. יורם שורק (talk) 04:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- I hate to tell you this, but photography is art. According rules that deal with freedom of panorama, you can take this photo in a public place, but because it's a photo of an identifiable famous person, to publish it, you need consent. USchick (talk) 22:23, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- "All other" post-mortem photos meet requirements, like being in the public domain. This photo was taken in a country that doesn't allow for freedom of panorama without consent. Therefore, it doesn't meet requirements, that's why it's nominated for deletion. You may want to acquaint yourself with Commons:Country specific consent requirements it also pertains to people. USchick (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
- "freedom of panorama"?? FOP refer to photos of buildings or sculptures which are permanently located in a public place. No such thing as FOP for dead bodies. First you argued that the deceased has to give consent for his post-mortem photos publications and now you say that a body is a work of art. In any case if this photo is not OK then all other post-mortem photos should be nominated for deletion. This page is not the right place to discuss radical policy change. יורם שורק (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ok then, would you like to post a link to the law that governs freedom of panorama in Palestine? No one is arguing the right to take the photo, but to PUBLISH it, you need permission. USchick (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- THe Photo was NOT taken in Israel. It was photographed in a public event in a Palestinian territory (Dura) where Israeli law has no relevance (even according to Israeli law). Again you ignore the fact that the privacy policy page states "these issues only affect images where the person is identifiable and still alive". Even if such photo was taken in a territory where publishing requires consent (and this is NOT the case here) it is irrelevant for POST-MORTEM photography taken with the family consent. יורם שורק (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- There's no reason to assume, because there's a very specific policy. According to the country policy Commons:Country specific consent requirements in Israel, a photo can be taken, but not published without consent. So even if you take the photo, you still need consent to publish it. USchick (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Kept: The person is diseased and according com:IDENT there are no concerns in most country's post mortum. The image has been taken during a public event and the person is famous. In some country's there are personal rights after the death of the subject but I don't think that is much of a concern since images of the boys are famous now. Also when I read this I can find no concerns. [ Natuur12 (talk) 12:20, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
