Commons:Deletion requests/File:Margery Tarwinska (nee Forbes) born 1923.jpg

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File:Margery Tarwinska (nee Forbes) born 1923.jpg

Not clear from the Facebook source that this possibly personal photograph falls into either box of "never previously been made available to the public" or "made available to public before 1 January 1954": it could have been first made available to the public between 1955 and 2023. (Which is particularly likely if it was taken at Bletchley Park, a project which was classified until the 1970s.) Belbury (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

A photo " is in the public domain because it is one of the following: A photograph, which has never previously been made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) and which was taken more than 70 years ago (before 1 January 1954);"

She left the service in the 40s.

I'm not sure you are right but if you are then surely {{PD-UKGov}} applies. Victuallers (talk) 11:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

From sources we don't know when it was first made available to the public. The Facebook source credits the image to a Courier newspaper article from 2021 that doesn't explicitly say where the image came from. If it was, say, a personal photo of Tarwinska's from 1945 that was kept in a family album and then published in a newspaper for the first time in 2021, wouldn't that mean that the time window of {{PD-UK-unknown}} wasn't met?

{{PD-UKGov}} requires us to know that the image was taken by a government official "in the course of his duties", which I'm not sure we do here. The background looks a little like Bletchley to me, but I can't find any building photos that confirm it. Belbury (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Based upon the "Sworn to secrecy: The women from Fife and Dundee who translated Adolf Hitler’s will" from The Courier by Graeme Strachan dated 2021-02-17, photographs like this are more likely personal photographs of Rena Stewart than of Margery Forbes since it is claimed the Tarwinski family did not know the details of Margery's secret military service. {{PD-UK-unknown}} seems to qualify regardless if it actually falls under the first bullet (unpublished and taken before before 1954-01-01) or the second (published before 1954-01-01). The Courier article links to this image and it can be found at https://wpcluster.dctdigital.com/syndicatenews/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2021/01/Margery-circa-early-1944-001.jpg where based on the filename the image was likely taken in 1944. Published or unpublished this is well before 1954. —Uzume (talk) 12:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Deleted: Per discussion, PD-UK-unknown has been established, but this personal photograph doesn't have evidence of being PD-UKGov, and so URAA would apply to this 1944 photograph. As an unpublished photo, this would become PD in the US in 2065. --Abzeronow (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)